Steroids As A Lifestyle

Create: 12/22/2005 - 10:38
There's an interesting interview over at T-Nation with a powerlifter about his steroid use. Some of the points worth noting is that this lifter started taking steroids when he was 14 (he didn't know what they were and they were given to him by a football coach), he's been using them for over 20 years, he never cycles off or tapers his use, he never expects to stop using, and he's apparently healthy. On side effects:

I think certain people are predisposed to certain side effects. I never had a problem. I do remember my nipples would hurt once in awhile. You'd be in a bar and someone would brush against you and you'd want to rip their head off.

On PCT:

The problem I always had was if I had a couple of hundred extra bucks, I'm gonna buy Test! I'm not gonna' buy some shit to take at the end of my cycle. .. I think that's what a majority of lifters do now. Very few that I know of would mess with any of that shit [anti-aromatases, Clomid, etc.] because it's just another 80 bucks they could spend on Test.

On tapering:

Who the fuck ever tapers off? I don't know anybody who does. If you have money left over that you could spend on a couple of bottles of Test, then fuckin' spend the money on the Test and take it.

On training for powerlifting:

Then I realized that for somebody training for strength, all they really need is Test and D-bol and that's it.

On steroid use in powerlifting:

To be honest I think you'd be surprised. I would say the vast majority are drug free and lift in drug free federations. So I would say between 10-15% may take steroids, and that's probably a high estimate. It's also hard to say how many out of the top 100 are on, but I'd say the majority of the top 100 in each weight class, but I've been proven wrong many times by lifters I thought were on who in reality were not. And I know a lot of top 20 lifters who are lifetime drug free. These are the ones I really want to see go on some shit. I think they would do crazy stuff.

On whether others should use:

I don't know why everyone doesn't use it. I don't get it. Outside of the fertility issue, I have not seen the side effects people speak about, in any of the thousands of people I know who use or who have used. I've seen some weak character people who use it as an excuse to be an asshole — you know the 'roid rage or whatever — but the people with the 'roid rage are dickheads to begin with. There are more side effects from fuckin' alcohol, and the people who criticize anybody who's taking stuff, they're doing worse things.

Comments

Submitted by Yeshua on
I think the biggest reason not to use is it's against the law. I know the penalties are not that great for small time users, but who wants to go through that? Who wants to be humiliated in court, or in front of your family and friends? I know there are legal ways to get test, but again it's just manipulating the system to get something. If it were legal, same as pot, I would use. It's not, so I won't.

Submitted by admin on
Prosecution of steroid users are few and far between so many don't view it as a major risk. That said there is a legal risk involved. Many hold strong personal views on controlled drug usage. Sometimes these views trump the laws, even when said person might ordinarily be a law abiding citizen. Often drug use is viewed use as a personal decision, not a governmental matter, so the government's authority is ignored.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
This is hard to believe. Unless the user is constantly uppping dosages, non-stop use will result in no gains and a great many sides. I would say a great deal of the top PLers are using, both in non-tested and "drug-free" organizations. In the US, legal risks for AAS use are great, but that does not stop its use. On a side note, dosage tapering is absolute, because it has proved ineffective for restoring the HPT axis.

Submitted by admin on
This guy claims he's had almost no side effects and pretty much maintains only two dosage levels. One for off-season and a higher one when competing. As for his gains, the name of the interviewee would have to be released so as to evaluate lifting gains.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I'm just realizing that a lot more lifters are taking steroids that I thought; including ones who are competing in drug tested fed's. They take designer's, and stop 14 days before a meet if they want to try to hide it.

Submitted by TheGymMuse on
I don't think 14 days is enough time to minimize detection. Has there recently been a number of lifters testing positive? Lift..., what else?

Submitted by admin on
If they are, then they're cheaters, pure and simple. Anyone who uses and competes in drug tested meets needs to rethink their life. Course, they can probably rationalize it by saying that others are cheating to or it's not cheating unless I'm caught.

Submitted by maxorlov (not verified) on
REGARDING LAW AND STERIOIDS. The least of my concern is law. I do not care whats legal and whats not. Why should i? some moron law maker decides so without any knowledge about medicines and narcotics. Alcohol is sold everywhere, cigaretts too. Why? Because it brings great income to multinationals and government. there are much more smokers and drinkers than steroid users.for example how can valium do me or others a harm? nonsense. overdose? well, overdose aspirin and your heart will stop. Smoking causes cancer. alcohol causes many bad things. but law inforces are blinded with law book and of course have to follow all nonsense. and then praise the lord. total madness. Let the people take roids, have sex anytime and anywhere and enjoy life instead of constantly feeding bankers and other pigs like priests. or else very soon (if not already) you will live in UNITED STATES OF WANKERS.

Submitted by Monkeyboy on
What the writer of the last submitted post states (especially his first sentence) is very alarming and scary! Perhaps this highlights what is so significantly wrong with society today? Do whatever you want until your caught, then move on to something else. Scribble your name here, please! X________________________________

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
yea that guy is right to an extent but really it is your choice to do those so do not bich about it when your about to die

Submitted by isbell on
I made a choice and will live by it. drug free for me for life. I am not going to tell you others how to live but if you use please sit back and think about it for a while and please think about the younger lifters out there that are watching you. Sorry, not meaning to sound like a preacher. The best to all of you, Tom

Submitted by Matt Defore on
why does everyone take it to heart that some uneducated law maker (on the subject of AAS) deems it wrong and illegal to possess AAS? what does he know? america is the only country that is so uptight about AAS, any other country, at the minimum you can legally possess personal amounts, and in most it is legal to buy over the counter just as is vitamin C!! but behold, these great lawmakers want to ban ALL supplement(even vitamins!) all to stregthen the pharmacuetical lobbies even more. this is so stupid. they didnt ban AAS b/c it was dangerous, just as vitamin C poses no threat, but they still want you to see a doctor to get some. BOO!!!!!

Submitted by Brad (not verified) on
The funny thing is that we have a health insurance crisis and an insane national debt load and the lawmakers are worried about steroids. THEY should be the ones sitting back and reflecting on their lives.

Submitted by Matt Defore on
seriously. lets prioritize the nations problems and see where juice ranks up. juice is not a "drug". you dont take steriods to get high, you take them to aid you in productive lifting related goals. how terrible. no one ever knocks of a 7-11 for more juice. no one beats their wife b/c theyre having steriod withdrawels. no one commits gang related crimes because of steroids. juice is a problem in the US because of why??

Submitted by admin on

juice is a problem in the US because of why??

Isn't it being presented as a morality issue as much as a health one? As far as being targetted, it seems to be an easy mark for politicians looking for headlines.

Submitted by Matt Defore on
morality is an opinion just like alchohal. why is it immoral? is taking creatine immoral? what about whey? hell, is lifting immoral? why do you draw the line at juice? b/c its illegal? because some geek in washington who doesnt even lift and knows nothing about AAS says so? cmon... health... good health can easily be maintained while taking steroids. if not, doctors wouldnt be prescribing them. just keep an eye on your blood test and you have nothing to worry about. ill tell you this, if AAS was legal, health problems related to it would dramatically decrease.

Submitted by admin on

morality is an opinion just like alchohal. why is it immoral?

Yep, but steroid use violates the conservative opinion. That opinion is that since steroids have been declared bad and are banned, those who use are doing so illegally and are cheating, thus they are immoral. They teach the nations youth lessons that are unacceptable: cheating to get ahead is okay, violating the law is acceptable, taking the easy way makes sense. As far as why they're deemed bad to begin with, other have discussed that in depth.

Submitted by Monkeyboy on
The moral side of the argument is when you make a conscious decision to knowingly commit a crime. If use and possession of controlled substances are illegal, what then is the question? Or why should there be a question concerning morality. Wasn't everyone brought up to respect and obey the law? I think it is called being a responsible citizen/adult. Contolled substances is exactly what is meant. To be used under certain types of control. On this anniversary of Len Bias's death, haven't we learned anything about the use of these strong drugs? It is like playing Russian roullet. Steroids and narcotics has a place when used by the medical community. Laws are made by those each of us elect designed to not only protect us from others, but ourselves as well. Scribble your name here, please! X________________________________

Submitted by isbell on
Interesting question. I didnt use them but I didnt think they were a big deal. They werent illegal.

Submitted by Brad (not verified) on
Monkeyboy, I tire of your reasoning. So because something is against the law we should just shrug and say ok? What about the people who helped the underground railroad during slavery? They must have been horrible people and poorly raised children according to your logic. Our approach to dealing with drugs of any sort have been a textbook example of poor planning and failed policy. I say if you believe in something strong enough than you must take action and I don't mean just petitions and voting, even though they help.

Submitted by Monkeyboy on
I tire of grown adults whinning like little children when they can't get their way. If you want something and feel strongly about it, go where its legal or work within the frame work of the law to change it. That is being respnsible. that is the freedoms you have under the laws of our country. The point I was making is that responsible adults don't go out an intentially break the law. If you chose to break the law, you accept the risk and the condemnation for committing those acts. Even those who assisted slaves to escape did so at great risk to themselves. What you do is your own business. But, when it comes to competing in powerlifting, you are cheating if it is illegal by definition of the law. Powerlifting federations are not above the law. And for that you receive mine and anyone else's condemnation for participating knowingly while committing and performing illegal act(s). Scribble your name here, please! X________________________________

Submitted by Matt Defore on
quit playing dumb, you KNOW the whole reason for untested feds is for juiced lifters. sure they dont come out right and say that, but cmon man!! if they chose not to test you and have no rules about drug use or any other supplementation then you are not cheating.

Submitted by Monkeyboy on
It is dumb to think that anyone is naive to think that "ALL" powerlifters/weightlifters are clean or do not use illegal substances. In my humble opinion, the public at large has a very dismal opinion concerning drug use and anyone who participates in power sports. Incidently, I was speking to someone in the medical community today. He is not a doctor. His passion is running. His remark was when we were talking about supplements was that powerlifters use the "other" stuff too. Made me feel real good to be associated and lumped in with a bunch of nuts! But, overall, and as I explained to this gentlemen, not all feds are the same and in fact some test for illegal substances. To which he smiled and nodded. I wonder what he was thinking??? Now back to character statements, I don't think anyone in this sport is dumb. I don't engage in name calling and bringing anyones level of intellegence into question. I do question their choices though because this stuff can kill. I think powerlifters as a whole are like a family. They do look out for one another and that is why I take the strong stand I do. And by making the points I do is simply my way of looking out for my bother/sister. Please take some time to consider that as you look for your next fix. And if your going to do it, please don't flaunt it. What you do is your own business and do stay out of tested feds meets. And the next time someone sets an "ALL TIME WORLD RECORD" at one of these untested feds, lets get it straight and call it for what it is. It is a record set at that particular meet and not to be held as a standard for anyone else! Scribble your name here, please! X________________________________

Submitted by Matt Defore on
...my next "fix"?? and also, dude, when i said "quit playing dumb" i wasnt calling anyone "dumb", its an expression that means dont pretend like you dont know whats going on. (in reference to you accusing juiced lifters in untested feds as cheating, thats why we have untested feds)

Submitted by Monkeyboy on
I apologise for making that suggestion. Goes against my values. I don't know you and tend to believe everyones innocent until proven guilty. Using illegal means to win is cheating. Once again, which federation is above the law? Should we assume that if law enforcement really had a slow day and had probable cause (and that is what is being suggested here) perhaps raid the next untested federstions meet to see what goodies they could find? And, I don't think you will find a meet director that will be willing to come out in public and support illegal drug use. That would be dumb! Scribble your name here, please! X________________________________