Oleksandr Kutcher Totals 1,509 Raw With WDFPF Affiliate

Create: 09/27/2007 - 08:19
Ukrainian powerlifting sensation Oleksandr Kutcher competed last weekend in a competition with the Ukrainian affiliate of the WDFPF, the UDFPF Drug Free Championships. Kutcher lifted raw in the 165 pound weight class and squatted 518 pounds, benched 374, and deadlifted 617 pounds for a 1,509 pound total. Subsequently, Kutcher was disqualified from the contest due to drug testing violations in the IPF.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
How is Kutcher, suspended under the WADA code for using steroids, allowed to compete in the WDFPF?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
[quote=Anonymous]How is Kutcher, suspended under the WADA code for using steroids, allowed to compete in the WDFPF?[/quote] To me it looks like they allowed him to compete for either shits and giggles, or to get publicity having the great kutcher compete in their fed. Nothing else makes since because the dq'd him right after

Submitted by BIG DADDY on
" i fear no man nor i do have any limits " charles "big daddy" bailey That's what I was thinking .

Submitted by Mark (not verified) on
Regardless of the disqualification, that's some pretty good lifting.

Submitted by Carl on
1 step forward, 2 miles back. No wonder the average person thinks p/l is a joke.

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
looks about right for numbers, and carryover. still very strong for body weight, well over 2x bodyweight bench. and i i think his back is still bothering him on his DL. lift- geared vs raw squat- 849 518 bench- 536 376 deadlift- 783 617 total- 2167 1509 This is 10% Luck, 20% Skill, 15% Concentrated Power of Will... 5% Pleasure, 50% Pain, and 100% Reason to Remember the Name!

Submitted by dave (not verified) on
actually, i beleive his best geared numbers are: squat- 870 bench-551 dead-793 total-2171 though they were not all at the same comp.

Submitted by steve (not verified) on
why can't powerlifting just be about raw strength, i mean, i was a big fan of kutcher until i saw this crap, i thought he was head and shoulders above every other lifter in the world in his weight class. now i guess i know the truth. there's at least 100 people in the world that could total better than this at 165 raw. gear may be great for injury prevention, but do we have to get over 600 lbs carryover to acheive injury prevention.

Submitted by Al Caslow on
[quote=steve]why can't powerlifting just be about raw strength, i mean, i was a big fan of kutcher until i saw this crap, i thought he was head and shoulders above every other lifter in the world in his weight class. now i guess i know the truth. there's at least 100 people in the world that could total better than this at 165 raw. gear may be great for injury prevention, but do we have to get over 600 lbs carryover to acheive injury prevention.[/quote] Your kidding right? Please tell me your kidding? 100 people at 165lbs that can total more? actually right now not one has done it this year. Your jumping to conclusions and amplifying/exaggerating rather to harshly against Kutcher.

Submitted by angst (not verified) on
[quote=steve]why can't powerlifting just be about raw strength, i mean, i was a big fan of kutcher until i saw this crap, i thought he was head and shoulders above every other lifter in the world in his weight class. now i guess i know the truth. there's at least 100 people in the world that could total better than this at 165 raw. gear may be great for injury prevention, but do we have to get over 600 lbs carryover to acheive injury prevention.[/quote] 1. Kutcher has lifted this result not training at all; 2. He has no used knee wraps; 3. It really was the entertainment for Oleksandr! Thanks for your time.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
or how bout the deadlift suit that he gets almost 200 lbs out of

Submitted by Richie "Vibes" Vee (not verified) on
I think some of you guys are being a little unfair on him here- 1509 raw at 165 is good lifting. Like Sam said above, he is still suffering from a back injury so I'm sure he is capable of totalling more raw. Also, he might have been taking it easy and just having a little fun putting up some weight raw. Some people spend all the time bashing geared lifters, saying they should compete without gear, and then as soon as someone comes along and does compete raw, they bash him for it! That's not how to promote raw lifting!

Submitted by Al Caslow on
[quote=Richie "Vibes" Vee]I think some of you guys are being a little unfair on him here- 1509 raw at 165 is good lifting. Like Sam said above, he is still suffering from a back injury so I'm sure he is capable of totalling more raw. Also, he might have been taking it easy and just having a little fun putting up some weight raw. Some people spend all the time bashing geared lifters, saying they should compete without gear, and then as soon as someone comes along and does compete raw, they bash him for it! That's not how to promote raw lifting![/quote] Eric Talmant is good acquaintance of mine and I was all for supporting his ambition for the RAW unity meet, but because of the reception through out and the lack of mass support for the transition. My goals changed rather fast. Im not forking over a grand in travel, food, lodging and meet expenses just get the "raw" sh!t stick afterwards.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Yah, I just spent over a grand on a meet too, about $1400 on a four day trip, but that's another topic...jon, u listening? "How to keep costs low" while doing meets would be a great topic. This is a huge issue that doesn't get much attention...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
[quote=Anonymous]Yah, I just spent over a grand on a meet too, about $1400 on a four day trip, but that's another topic...jon, u listening? "How to keep costs low" while doing meets would be a great topic. This is a huge issue that doesn't get much attention... [/quote] +1 Off topic but this would be a GREAT new topic!

Submitted by admin on
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yah, I just spent over a grand on a meet too, about $1400 on a four day trip, but that's another topic...jon, u listening? "How to keep costs low" while doing meets would be a great topic. This is a huge issue that doesn't get much attention... [/quote] +1 Off topic but this would be a GREAT new topic! [/quote] I agree. Why don't you submit an article on the subject. After signing in, go here, https://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/add.

Submitted by mastermonster on
No excuses! Just lift it! While I don't get near that much carry over on my total; especially DL, look at the raw picture for a moment without the carry over blurring it. That's around 9 times bodyweight raw! That's an astounding total in my book.

Submitted by Jim Ray on
You have to wonder what was going through his head as he entered the meet. ("As soon as I do this drug-tested meet, I'm gonna take some weed over to Michael Vick's house.") Does he purport to be drug-free now? Sounds like they didn't test him, just honored the IPF list. Where was the Meet Director's head before he hit the platform? I had no idea ANYone could get that carryover in the DL. (It does lend credence to the sore back theory, so that when healthy, his raw DL would be much higher and the carryover much less.)

Submitted by Troy Nash on
Before you bash his numbers and talk about how much carryover he gets from what, I have a few questions. Did he go 9 for 9, or did he miss any attempts? Maybe he made to big of a jump on one of the attempts and missed it. What were all of his attempts?

Submitted by admin on
[quote=Troy Nash]Before you bash his numbers and talk about how much carryover he gets from what, I have a few questions. Did he go 9 for 9, or did he miss any attempts? Maybe he made to big of a jump on one of the attempts and missed it. What were all of his attempts?[/quote] Squat -/496/518 Bench Press 341/363/374 Deadlift 551/617/-

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I dont these numbers are a true representative of what the guy can do raw, healthy and fully cranked. I mean who gets more than 50-60 pounds frmo their deadlift suit? Innjury of the back will take a chunk of the squat and deadlift. This is probably why he is lifting raw at the moment, less weight to be lifted while recovering. On a good day I see him able to go 660-425-700+ raw.

Submitted by davech (not verified) on
Good lifting, so he gets good carryover, big deal! That is an awesome total for his bodyweight raw. He is obviously recovering from a back injury so he is probably capable of much more raw, the injury would probably explain the 200 pd. carryover in deadlift. Anyways we don't even know his attempts, he may have made a couple of big jumps and barely missed. You can't compare one meet from another because of this especially a equipped meet vs. unequipped meet, too many variables, just be happy for the guy. Nice to see a geared lifter do a raw meet. Impressive lifting!

Submitted by Gary Reichert (not verified) on
I was going to post an opinion, but I'll let it go at this whining gets old. If you want people to want to lift unequipped, cut them some friggin slack when they do.

Submitted by T.Johnson on
A 9X bodyweight raw total is incredible. I'm 275 and to get 9X raw I would have to lift 2475 lbs which I don't see happening ever. I don't care if he was dq'd or not it's still a helluva total. Give the credit where it's due folks.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
what i'm wondering is how wdfpf affiliate permitted him to enter, with the ipf suspension list in full view and he's been on it for some time, correct? coupled with his conspicuous entries in untested feds recently, perhaps the UDFPF is due some censoring by the mother org for this one? Does WDFPF levy fines for misconduct like IPF does? As for his total, perhaps he was in his off season and considered this a "training session". People do that at times, or perhaps he was actually sick. I think the real question is why he suddenly chose to enter a tested meet when he's under suspension for more than attitude.

Submitted by kevin (not verified) on
it seems like everyone who posted a comment about his raw strength is in denial. they say he may be off or its his off season, or its not his true raw strength. people dont want to face the fact that all this gear he wears and others puts and over abundance of fasle lifts and totals. I wonder about all this so called 1000 lb squats, maybe its really a 700lb squat. I heard a guy bench 600 but cant raw bench 400. what a farce the sport of powerlifting has come.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
[quote=kevin]it seems like everyone who posted a comment about his raw strength is in denial. they say he may be off or its his off season, or its not his true raw strength. people dont want to face the fact that all this gear he wears and others puts and over abundance of fasle lifts and totals. I wonder about all this so called 1000 lb squats, maybe its really a 700lb squat. I heard a guy bench 600 but cant raw bench 400. what a farce the sport of powerlifting has come.[/quote] I think you are the one kidding yourself my friend 176lbs carrover for deadlift. most people are lucky to get a quarter of that. you just don't get large carryover on deadlift. we can conclude from this that he was no where near his strongest. sorry but clearly true. Prehaps he did this comp clean as well which would obviously would affect the numbers

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It's only a farce if you make it so. As long as it is put out that their is equipment in this sport just like every sport out there to give a competitive edge it is fine.

Submitted by Marcus on
The guy has the biggest multi-ply and raw total for a 165er this year. Who cares what his carryover in gear is? Unless you're curious if you should be getting more carryover, it doesn't matter. Put him on the platform under either set of conditions and he'll beat anyone in his weightclass. I really doubt the top 10 multi-ply rankings for each weightclass would radically change if they all did a raw meet. The top lifters are still going to be the top lifters.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Its nice that people have to make excuses for him. "he could a done this much...", "he could have missed attempts", That total is what he has done. Anything else is just coulda woulda shoulda. its a friggen great total for a 165'r. and

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
top 100 raw, hahahahahahahahahahaha where are all these 1509+lb raw totals. With 100+ of them, they should be everywhere. Top 2-3, yep.

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
like i said, i believe, as relayed to me by Louie Simmons why Kutcher didnt do the Pro/Am, that he is dealin with a serious and progressivly worse back injury. Despite that, that is a big total for a 165er. i am almost certain with a fresh back he can pull close to 7 and squat another 40-50 pounds. this guy is not big at all if any of u have seen him. he looks like a high school sophmore... a very small one at that! who knows all the issues surrounding the meet, any way u look it its remarkable strength. This is 10% Luck, 20% Skill, 15% Concentrated Power of Will... 5% Pleasure, 50% Pain, and 100% Reason to Remember the Name!

Submitted by Jon Rock on
i totaled 1500 at 181 when i was a raw lifter. at the time, when i looked at the other federations and other people numbers in similar weight classes, there werent even many people in the 220's or 242's hitting 1500 totals. a 1509 total at 165 is a real big total raw. dont discredit the guy, he is damn good, congrat to kutcher, for those who think they can do better, go try a raw contest and see if you can put up over a 1500lb total. not as easy as you think

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
geez people are never pleased. You guys want these multi ply dudes to go raw... and one does and he gets bashed for being WEAK???? 1509 @ 165 is weak these days... give me a break. and people are acting stunned that he gets a lot out of his gear... well no shit lol. shocking... people getting a lot out of unlimited gear + loose wpo judging.

Submitted by boingyman (not verified) on
great job kutcher...1500 raw @ 165 is no joke...He could easily total elite raw...and if anyone here thinks this his best, you are smoking something...I garauntee he could do a lot more with the right preperation and 100% healthy...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
To put into the context of other top 165's, Hooper squats/benchs raw a lot in his video training log (which is faaantastic) He is squatting around 475 for 3 - 4reps Benching around 415 and raw deadlifting into the mid 500s or so.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Oleksandr is capable of more 600pounds squat and 661pounds deadlift without equipment aid. Currently he is injured with back.

Submitted by Andrew Cominos (not verified) on
[quote=jon]Ukrainian powerlifting sensation Oleksandr Kutcher competed last weekend in a competition with the Ukrainian affiliate of the WDFPF, the UDFPF Drug Free Championships. Kutcher lifted raw in the 165 pound weight class and squatted 518 pounds, benched 374, and deadlifted 617 pounds for a 1,509 pound total. Subsequently, Kutcher was disqualified from the contest due to drug testing violations in the IPF.[/quote] The Ukrainian Drug-Free Powerlifting Federation is brand new, under the leadership of persons not highly experienced in the workings and history of international powerlifting. When Kutcher's previous drug test failure in the IPF became known, the decision was taken to disqualify him from any further involvement in WDFPF or UDFPF sanctioned events. This decision was instigated by the WDFPF Executive, and endorsed unreservedly by the UDFPF leadership, now fully appraised of the situation.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Im glad he lifted raw and he did well. I give him credit for going raw knowing he would take a bashing for the simple fact that he would be hundreds of pounds less than his best equipped totals. Don't defend him because his totals are lower anybody with any intelligence knows that is going to happen when you lift raw. What I dislike is the fact he lifted in a drug free org knowing full well he was not drug free

Submitted by JDawson (not verified) on
I would have bought a deadlift suit if I thought I could have gotten 5lbs out of one.

Submitted by not verified (not verified) on
two things... 1. wade hooper could probably out total him raw and 2. 3 of the 4 lifters competing at the nerb meet last year were either single-ply or raw lifters... meaning that raw and single-ply lifters are on top people are so ignorant in the belief that multi-ply have better lifters cuz in the end what are they lifting for? why aren't they wanting to go to a REAL worlds competition? questions to ponder

Submitted by Brian Mc on
You kinda bring my to a funny conclusion, Mr. not verfied, that I do often ponder about some of the upper echelon lifters in USAPL/IPF. Kutcher is THE best 165 multi-ply lifter on the planet and, according to Jon's lifter rankings, you'd have to go to the 198lb class to find someone who has a bigger raw total than him. You're telling us that the IPF's best 165 lifter is, in essence, stronger than that though. The best the IPF has to offer at 165, hands down, is stronger than THE best non-tested lifter at 165? Get down off your high horse. Any rational person would ask the same question that I ask myself: How can some of USAPL/IPF's best lifters even come close to posting equivalant totals as their non-tested counterparts? Most of the logical anwsers aren't pretty.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
If anyone of value competed raw, then the best totals would go up. Kutcher was also far lighter than he typically is for a WPO style meet. He weighed in at 165 with a 2hr weighin, where normally he weighs in at 165 with a 24-48hr weighin period. Means that he is far ligther than normal when on the platform. An additional 20lbs goes a long way.

Submitted by not verified (not verified) on
given it was only training videos... hooper has definitely surpassed kutchers raw squat and bench... only thing kutcher has an advantage of is deadlift... i am not on a high horse.. just believe if it came down to it... hooper would win