Do you want raw squat rankings kept separate from raw squat (with wraps) rankings?

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 04:46 -- admin
Yes
71% (654 votes)
No
13% (121 votes)
Doesn't matter
15% (140 votes)
Total votes: 915

Comments

Submitted by JASON MANENKOFF on
[quote=PowerBuilder]If knee sleeves OR knee wraps are allowed than it isn't Raw IMO.[/quote] Neoprene sleeves are allowed in USAPL/IPF raw competition as well as the Raw Unity Meet. The key word here is neoprene.

Submitted by AbeHarrod on
[quote=PowerBuilder]If knee sleeves OR knee wraps are allowed than it isn't Raw IMO.[/quote] A belt undoubtedly inflates numbers and is clearly cheating. Naked or nothing. RAWWW till the death!

Submitted by rheta on
I would say yes but the world rankings (Soong) includes them both in the same ranking so that is what I go by.

Submitted by rheta on
By the way, that is coming from someone who took a WR raw squat without wraps just in case the current person didn't use them either. So I am not biased by my own accomplishments. It just is what it is these days.

Submitted by Jenn Rotsinger on
Wraps give at least 20lbs, so think that having them separated into two sets of records is the best solution. Separating them compares apples to apples. Obviously a raw lifter who can lift as much or more than a wrapped lifter is stronger (w/in a wt. class).

Submitted by Duane 2 on
You have to have knee wrap squats and no knee wrap squats in a seperate category. There is nothing wrong lifting both ways, but if a person can wrap for you and you can get 90 pounds out of your knee wraps, it is like saying a Titan fury single ply shirt is consider raw. If a person can't get at least 50-60 pounds out of their knee wraps better off competing raw with no wraps!

Submitted by AbeHarrod on
[quote=Duane 2] You have to have knee wrap squats and no knee wrap squats in a seperate category. There is nothing wrong lifting both ways, but if a person can wrap for you and you can get 90 pounds out of your knee wraps, it is like saying a Titan fury single ply shirt is consider raw. If a person can't get at least 50-60 pounds out of their knee wraps better off competing raw with no wraps![/quote] Your belt gives you at least 50 lbs you cheating bastard! I want a true raw list instead of this circus crap.

Submitted by markos on
Its the term "raw" that creates the issue, but its too late go with "unequipped". Raw to me means no suit/shirt

Submitted by Kate Baird on
If we divide into raw with or without knee wraps, why do we not divide into monolift vs. walkout? Or maybe we should go so far as to note if they person uses wrist wraps when they squat or not? Maybe low cut shoes as opposed to shoes that support the ankle too - maybe go so far as to who uses ammonia capsules before they take their attempt and who doesn't - see how absurd it gets? Sure, some people work the wraps and can add notable poundage with knee wraps, but often lifters wraps merely for protection, such as myself. Watch me squat anytime. There is no way you can honestly say I get much or anything at all in additional poundage because of the knee wraps. I think more weight can be added to a squat by using the monolift properly and not walking it out than a general knee wrap.

Submitted by Bobby Myers 1964 on
Raw is Raw.....If you want to get that picky, then keep monolift squats separate from walk out squats.....Makes just as much since. All of our meets do allow knee wraps, but require the squats to be walked out. Is that any more equipped then knee sleeves and a monolift? Sponsored by: MAX FIT! http://iammaxfit.com/

Submitted by Steve Shaw on
I am not a fan of splitting records nor creating new categories. We have too much of that already. On a personal level, knees wraps (and wrist wraps) have reduced the amount of random strains I have picked up by over 80%. I trained over 24 years without them. I had constant wrist and palm strains, along with very frequent hamstring tweaks. Since adding knee wraps I haven't had a single hamstring tweak in 2 years. Since adding wrist wraps, I haven't had a single palm or wrist strain. I don't consider these optional anymore, and therefore I do not think we need RAW raw records. I know many of you will disagree with me. I understand that knee wraps can add pounds to the squat. I simply do not think though we should be ignoring the other benefits of wraps. It's ok to have some supportive equipment. We don't need to go to the extreme end of the spectrum and create a sport that increases the punishment a lifter takes over the course of 20 years. A sport should have an eye for the safety of the athletes, and allow for a minimal amount of gear to help protect them.

Submitted by MesmrEwe on
I'm with Steve and Kate - why not go yet another step and separate tested/not tested! At some point the splintering, just like the number of feds out there, becomes absurd. Regardless of your personal preference unless you're going to splinter it into a "naked" (which is basically one fed, which we already have fed rankings available), what's the point. I also don't like not walking a lift out, but that's a personal preference, I'm just not a "mono" sort of gal, that doesn't mean I think squats should be splintered at that level either. Some things are just left well enough ALONE! Monica A.