Would you pay a higher entry fee if half the entry fee went back to the lifters as prize money?

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 14:32 -- admin
Yes
76% (1406 votes)
No
24% (454 votes)
Total votes: 1860

Comments

Submitted by AbeHarrod on
I think we pay more than enough to get to meets after travel, missed work, entry fees, federation fees it's crazy. I don't know how to fix it but there has to be a better way. Shoot anyone willing to step into a cage and fight at the amateur level gets all expenses paid, hotel rooms comped, food, everything! Powerlifting promoters need to get this figured out for the bigger meets if amateur MMA promoters can pay upwards of $1000 a fighter for a dozen no name no talent 'fighters' a show!

Submitted by bigwill00013 on
[quote=AbeHarrod]I think we pay more than enough to get to meets after travel, missed work, entry fees, federation fees it's crazy. I don't know how to fix it but there has to be a better way. Shoot anyone willing to step into a cage and fight at the amateur level gets all expenses paid, hotel rooms comped, food, everything! Powerlifting promoters need to get this figured out for the bigger meets if amateur MMA promoters can pay upwards of $1000 a fighter for a dozen no name no talent 'fighters' a show![/quote] the reason mma can do what they do is they can charge people more to watch. no one wants to watch powerlifting. plus a lot of the places they hold mma at don't charge them because it brings in a lot of people. and i don't know what mma fights your going to but the rooms for the most part are not comped and the only food that is comped is at the fight.

Submitted by AbeHarrod on
[quote=bigwill00013]the reason mma can do what they do is they can charge people more to watch. no one wants to watch powerlifting. plus a lot of the places they hold mma at don't charge them because it brings in a lot of people. [/quote] Well I'm saying find a way to make people want to watch, this isn't the lifters job but the promoters. I don't know how to do it but it can be done if boring sports like golf and poker can do it for God's sake. It will probably take a large change in format of the events and other such key things. [quote=bigwill00013]and i don't know what mma fights your going to but the rooms for the most part are not comped and the only food that is comped is at the fight.[/quote] Me and my other teammates (one didn't even fight because his opponent pulled out) all had two nights comped and food for both days, as well as all other expenses to get there. I just had to let someone punch me in the face lol.

Submitted by PLpub on
[quote=AbeHarrod]I think we pay more than enough to get to meets after travel, missed work, entry fees, federation fees it's crazy. I don't know how to fix it but there has to be a better way. Shoot anyone willing to step into a cage and fight at the amateur level gets all expenses paid, hotel rooms comped, food, everything! Powerlifting promoters need to get this figured out for the bigger meets if amateur MMA promoters can pay upwards of $1000 a fighter for a dozen no name no talent 'fighters' a show![/quote] Yes. somewhere in this statement is an answer. We need to figure it out. Unfortunately a lot of promoters are not marketing geniuses. No offence but its true. They are good at what they do and its not marketing or promotions. Their are some that all ready do this but few no how. You need to find a way to put on a show, take care of the lifters and make money also. A spectator fee is a way but you have to make it worth the fee. Most not all promoters are only thinking about how much they can make. You know the ones. I went to a national meet in RI in 2008. Everyone no mater what place you were in got a medal the size of a silver dollar on a 7/8 inch ribbon with no engraving or printing. They charged $90.00 to enter. It lasted two days. They made around $8000. SHAME ON YOU! The lifters need to be heard. I charge $55.00 and still give out very nice awards.

Submitted by jmkillin on
Yes. somewhere in this statement is an answer. We need to figure it out. Unfortunately a lot of promoters are not marketing geniuses. No offence but its true. They are good at what they do and its not marketing or promotions. Their are some that all ready do this but few no how. You need to find a way to put on a show, take care of the lifters and make money also. A spectator fee is a way but you have to make it worth the fee. Most not all promoters are only thinking about how much they can make. You know the ones. I went to a national meet in RI in 2008. Everyone no mater what place you were in got a medal the size of a silver dollar on a 7/8 inch ribbon with no engraving or printing. They charged $90.00 to enter. It lasted two days. They made around $8000. SHAME ON YOU! The lifters need to be heard. I charge $55.00 and still give out very nice awards. -------------------------------------------- Good for you. I'm not that concerned about awards, and I don't have a problem with a meet director putting on a "quality meet" and making money off of it. That takes a lot of work, and lifting on good equipment in a good venue is worth it to me. As far as prize money, there are enough invitationals out there to accommodate the elite lifters, and turning local meets into Pro-Ams is not the way to go. As an aside, I recall a national meet I entered in 2009 for which I paid a relatively high entry fee. The awards were little plastic figurine trophies with no weight class/placing plate (that came in the mail about a month later...looked like it was made from a label tape). The venue was a YMCA basketball court with no restrooms in proximity. The warm up area was a mess, and occupied by several non-competing lifters who were getting their workouts in...pretty much made up my mind that there would be no more cross country trips for me with this group.

Submitted by michael tillotson on
I voted no only on the principal that in todays sports the fan pays way to much to c a sporting event. I know this is a little different then some of the main stream sporting events and i am sympathetic but in general to take my family to a yankee game or giant game its going to cost every bit of 500 beans. I agree that the money should come from the corperations of our sport and the media. Easier said then done for sure.

Submitted by Jon Elick on
I can see how this would be a good idea in theory. However, even tacking on another 20 to the entry to add to the prize money just wouldn't fly. Let's look at it this way...in a meet that has 60 lifters, there are a handful that know they are the top lifters at the meet. Sure, they would be willing to pay for a shot at the money. But, why would an average or even good lifter want to basically throw away extra money, knowing that they really have no realistic shot at winning any prize money? Proudly sponsored by: APT Pro Gear Andersonpowerlifting.com

Submitted by Phillip Brewer on
[quote=Jon Elick]I can see how this would be a good idea in theory. However, even tacking on another 20 to the entry to add to the prize money just wouldn't fly. Let's look at it this way...in a meet that has 60 lifters, there are a handful that know they are the top lifters at the meet. Sure, they would be willing to pay for a shot at the money. But, why would an average or even good lifter want to basically throw away extra money, knowing that they really have no realistic shot at winning any prize money? Proudly sponsored by: APT Pro Gear Andersonpowerlifting.com[/quote] I vote yes... Ask Jake with PRPA about not releasing a roster. Good PAY OUT. He's trying it out I think because lots of people don't really want real comp but they compete. No, everyone isn't ready for a big stage but I have seen lifters withdraw after they see someone that on there average day would beat them. my opinion is Clash for cash paid a lot of money out last year with several STACKED classes including the female classes & a few class had qualified lifters but won $$$ by default. As a Powerlifter some Want $$$ but ask Sean K with Hardcorepowerlifting how many showed up for the 175 below with $1,000 for first, $1,000 for second & $500 for most reps with 315 just in the 175 class...... 4 lifters in 1RM & under 10 done the 315 for reps for $500.00

Submitted by donwright on
They need to make it into a competition where the fans can watch the lifters compete against each other.The way it is now no one knows who is competing against who??Most meets theres only one guy in a class competing against himself.Who wants to see that?Get less classes and have the people competing against each other on stage together with a lift off type competition.All the fans and lifters knows who competing against who and who wins!!Have a starting weight you can pass if you want and you get two misses.The guys competing keep going until theres a winner.Load music,card girls with the weight etc,etc make into a show!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by PLpub on
[quote=donwright]They need to make it into a competition where the fans can watch the lifters compete against each other.The way it is now no one knows who is competing against who??Most meets theres only one guy in a class competing against himself.Who wants to see that?Get less classes and have the people competing against each other on stage together with a lift off type competition.All the fans and lifters knows who competing against who and who wins!!Have a starting weight you can pass if you want and you get two misses.The guys competing keep going until theres a winner.Load music,card girls with the weight etc,etc make into a show!!!!!!!!!!![/quote] Your onto something. We need to spice it up a bit. I'm not saying over do it but make it interesting so people will show up to watch. Maybe give away a championship belt to the best all around lifter. The card girls can also help bring in spectators. We still have to keep it real but make it a show also. I've been working on something like this for the manchester NH area. time will tell.

Submitted by jon landau on
NO NO NO!!! Powerlifting is so small compared to bodybuilding, that annoying little charge at the door will probably deter more people and we are all looking to get more recognition for the sport. Many feds have their "championships, states, nationals" in FL and I never really see more than 50-60 people at the "BIG" events and I know at least half of them, you can also go to some "low level" bodybuilding show and there are always more than 500 people. There is no money in powerlifting, no corporate sponsorship(like NBA) and we all lift for the fun and competition of lifting but that is what makes powerlifting such a great "sport". Money normally has a very negative effect on large loosely regulated situations.

Submitted by PLpub on
Their are only a few meet directors that actually spend a good amount on the awards. Nothing angers me more than when a promoter charges $70.00 to enter and gives away a $8.00 award for 1st place. Cheap basta-d! They make around I have hosted over 100 meets and here’s what I use as a standard. First off, I give everyone an award 6th place...yup! if you pay $70.00 to enter, you should get something. I generally pay around $6.00 for them, 2nd and 3rd place $15.00, first place $20-$25 and best lifter depends on what I pay for 1st place. Usually around $25 -30. Look I make $1000 per meet and I never get more than 20-25 lifters (small town/area) If I lived in IN I would put other promoters out of business. Giving an $8.00 award for first place is BULL-SH-T. I don’t want to hear that its all about the lift, because yes it is but also you don’t want to feel cheated or taken advantage of by receiving an $8.00 for first place. Anyone who tells you its all about the lift and having a good time is probably a promoter and they want to make you feel guilty requesting a bigger award. You train hard and pay big. NOW RECEIVE BIG. I’ve done a lot of research on line. I’m an expert on the internet and how to use it. If you look around you will find a few people who can help you pay less and get more. Try elitesculptures.com. They have incredible awards for 30% less than others. I gave away huge beautiful BP statue awards. I talked the price down even lower. I paid $19.00 each. I see them on prowristwraps site for 35$each. They are the best I’ve ever seen. The owner is also a promoter so he knows what the lifter wants. His sit is only for PL. no other awards. Its time to step it up Mr. cheapo. Stop “making” $4000 on a meet that draws 75 lifters. Spend a little more and we can bring this sport higher. When lifters work hard and receive something nice besides a good lift will go along way. Just keeping it real!!! PowerliftingPub.com We dont sugar coat

Submitted by Steve Shaw on
There isn't much head to head at an average meet. This certainly takes the sport out of the sport, and doesn't exactly draw spectators in. In addition, holding meets in hotel conference rooms, etc., is just plain silly. Check out one of Bill Carpenter's meets. He elevates the sport to it's proper place - a meet actually feels like a meet, and not a bunch of niche freaks gathering in a cubby hole to have a man challenge.

Submitted by PURE ATHLETIC POWER on
i think the time, effort and cost to put on a meet to be considered. meets are getting fewer every year. you cant go bowling, movies etc. without the cost and time compensated. i traveled to many meets and i never worried about someone making money i enjoyed lifting.

Submitted by PLpub on
[quote=PURE ATHLETIC POWER]i think the time, effort and cost to put on a meet to be considered. meets are getting fewer every year. you cant go bowling, movies etc. without the cost and time compensated. i traveled to many meets and i never worried about someone making money i enjoyed lifting.[/quote] Of course they should be able to make a profit. Absolutely!!! What I'm saying is this.... If you pay $ $75.00 or more to compete, you should expect a decent 1st place award. When I receive an award that is the same as 3rd place and cost around $8.00 I'm pissed. I want the prompter to make a good profit, but I also want to not feel like I've been taken advantage of. I know all about paying for the hall and your help; Usually you make that back at the door. It's crazy when you know the director made $6000 off the contest. Just crazy. Put $5.00 more into the 1st place or best lifter awards and you lose $250. Everyone is happy and you still made $5500. Its simple, but some people are cheap and only interested in the $$. We need to make it work the while on both ends. I still pay the high fee because I love to compete. But now I’m getting angry at the cost of the meet and the pathetic award that’s given out. I can all ready see a lot of lifters leaving certain federations to compete in another fed that offers a nicer award. When you feel appreciated you stay.

Submitted by eggsurplus on
$6000 profit!? That's the exception. Lucky to see $600 for hundreds of hours of effort. Lots of hidden costs to putting on an event. Granted, the biggest events and best directors can pull in $6k but that's not the norm.

Submitted by Michael Hart on
I voted no only because I agree that most lifters know where they stand in their regular meets. Most of us compete locally because we cant afford to shell out a couple hundred dollars. That being said I also feel like I pay MORE than enough already in my federation. I would much rather have money or credit toward future meets as opposed to more trophies. I stopped caring about trophies 30 meets ago and just recently smashed many of my trophies up and threw them out. I would rather have simple certificates handed out (if need be) and have cash/credit compensation, at least for outstanding lifters.

Submitted by osu122975 on
There are $ meets out there. If that's what you're after, you gotta play by the rules of that federation, which is generally multiply and no drug testing. Sometimes you see some bench meets w/ cash too. Either way, I believe most are not willing to pay more because of the higher percentage of average lifters and the few exceptional ones. However, some feds could have qualifying meets in their respective states and have a "super bowl" meet w/ a big cash payout for those who qualify. There's a lot of different ways to go about it. The promoter's should have some sort of business background imo.