Do you think the SPF and IPA should hold their meet together on the Arnold Weekend?

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 02:10 -- admin
Yes
68% (490 votes)
No
32% (227 votes)
Total votes: 717

Comments

Submitted by vdizenzo on
Of course. It would attract all the best lifters to one meet and the cash prizes would be better for the winners. It would also help to unify our sport a little more. I am not pointing fingers at either party individually, but having two cash meets on the same day is just stupid. AtLargeNutrition EliteFTS

Submitted by JASON MANENKOFF on
I don't get it. If it was combined who would sanction it? Who would judge it. From what I have seen the judging is muchhhh different.

Submitted by Nothing But Chalk on
I see no reason for SPF to be lumped in with IPA. I've lifted with SPF and the platform judging is tighter than I've seen on any IPA videos or their rules. For one thing, SPF requires you actually get down with a squat .... as for people holding cash meets same day? sounds like greed talking and somebody just does this sport for money, right? choose the fed you like and lift with them. prize money is not something we had long ago and if that's your only motive for doing any fed, perhaps you need to look at why you powerlift.

Submitted by DNeuworth on
[quote=Nothing But Chalk]I see no reason for SPF to be lumped in with IPA. I've lifted with SPF and the platform judging is tighter than I've seen on any IPA videos or their rules. For one thing, SPF requires you actually get down with a squat .... as for people holding cash meets same day? sounds like greed talking and somebody just does this sport for money, right? choose the fed you like and lift with them. prize money is not something we had long ago and if that's your only motive for doing any fed, perhaps you need to look at why you powerlift.[/quote] You're funny

Submitted by Hartschuh on
[quote=Nothing But Chalk]I see no reason for SPF to be lumped in with IPA. I've lifted with SPF and the platform judging is tighter than I've seen on any IPA videos or their rules. For one thing, SPF requires you actually get down with a squat .... as for people holding cash meets same day? sounds like greed talking and somebody just does this sport for money, right? choose the fed you like and lift with them. prize money is not something we had long ago and if that's your only motive for doing any fed, perhaps you need to look at why you powerlift.[/quote] Go ahead, pull the other one...

Submitted by jakeinthebox on
I want to see the top guys go head to head!!! Do it!!! I know you guys want the money and there is little in powerlifting but come on.. to step up with all the top guys. Awesome

Submitted by JASON MANENKOFF on
SPF deep squats? In many of the recent videos what I have seen has been quite contrary.

Submitted by powerdoc on
[quote=JASON MANENKOFF]SPF deep squats? In many of the recent videos what I have seen has been quite contrary. [/quote] I guess I should lift in the SPF. LOL

Submitted by soco barbell on
While I understand the desire to combine the 2 meets I also understand why their not going to be. There is already a meet for the best of the best. Called the pro/am....... It will take place in a few weeks. With $20k in prize money. The SPF has been giving payouts at the Iron man meet for the last 3 years. WHY SHOULD THEY CHANGE FOR ANYONE? I was originally upset that there is going to be 2 cash meets the same day. These were the things that were pointed out to me that made me feel stupid. The SPF gives out alot of money and most of it is donated out of Louis pocket. Why should they bend at all for anyone when they've been holding the same meet for 3 going on 4 years? The way I see it it was already more than enough for the SPF to move locations back to Tennessee instead of Ohio but beyond that I can completely understand them doing nothing more. www.socobarbell.com

Submitted by vdizenzo on
Holy shit, people are so sensitive. This is not an attack on either fed. They don't have to change anything. However, would it be better for there just to be one meet on that day? You bet your ass! Also, would it be cool to have it in the same area as the Arnold? You bet your ass! There are lots of other cool events around there. Plus it's the biggest meathead convention of the year. This poll is just about would it be better. No need to suck ass and play politics or fed favorites. With so many feds now I could give a rats left ball which one held it. AtLargeNutrition EliteFTS

Submitted by JASON MANENKOFF on
[quote=vdizenzo]Holy shit, people are so sensitive. This is not an attack on either fed. They don't have to change anything. However, would it be better for there just to be one meet on that day? You bet your ass! Also, would it be cool to have it in the same area as the Arnold? You bet your ass! There are lots of other cool events around there. Plus it's the biggest meathead convention of the year. This poll is just about would it be better. No need to suck ass and play politics or fed favorites. With so many feds now I could give a rats left ball which one held it. AtLargeNutrition EliteFTS[/quote] Vincent- While I agree this would be cool still nooone has answered who would be judging it which is why in theory it may sound cool but logistically doesn't seem to make sense yet.

Submitted by soco barbell on
[quote=vdizenzo]Holy shit, people are so sensitive. This is not an attack on either fed. They don't have to change anything. However, would it be better for there just to be one meet on that day? You bet your ass! Also, would it be cool to have it in the same area as the Arnold? You bet your ass! There are lots of other cool events around there. Plus it's the biggest meathead convention of the year. This poll is just about would it be better. No need to suck ass and play politics or fed favorites. With so many feds now I could give a rats left ball which one held it. AtLargeNutrition EliteFTS[/quote] I agree 100% it would be another great meet. I was one of the first ones to think it wasn't right to have 2 meets. I'm sure as hell not sucking anyones ass. Just stating the obvious. There's reasons this wont go down. Someone would have to be willing to take a backseat and it wont nor shouldn't be the SPF they have given out the most money and have history with the March Iron man classic. It is politics for sure but who do you expect to take the back seat?

Submitted by vdizenzo on
Jason, picking out three judges is not that difficult. It's not rocket science. Soco, why does someone have to take a backseat. It could be a coalition meet with two promoters. Yes, I know there are reasons. I have been around a while. I just don't have to accept it. If people could check their egos, put their differences aside, and make some accomodations, something great could come from it. Let's stop talking about why it can't be done and focus on what it would take to get it done. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. AtLargeNutrition EliteFTS

Submitted by soco barbell on
Vincent, I'm nobody... I'll quickly admit that but, I hope just like you that it will happen!!!!!!!!!! I'm lifting in one of these meets and hope I don't have to choose one or the other. Ego's are hard to check sometimes we all know that. Hopefully someone can for the good of the sport.

Submitted by rodgersmadmax on
Take all the polls you want but the Irnoman Classic will not be changing to something else or will it be ran with anything else and here is why. I have been doing the Ironman Classic on that date for three years and before that we did the Tennessee state on and around that date. Wasn’t on purpose it just happened that way because I never went to the Arnold, and never even knew when the Arnold was until I would ask people like Sam, Wade, Pickets and others to help work and they couldn’t because they had to been at the Arnold. The Ironman Classic is a meet that we do annually and move around and since we have a lot of lifters in Ohio, MI. Indiana, Kentucky and other places we thought it was only fair to move it up North every other year and this was decided at the first of the year by several people. The Ironman Classic is a meet that we put together so beginners, Amateur, Elite, and Pros can all lift on the same platform one day out of the year, and we offer a small payout to the winners. This year will be the top five. This is just one a few of the meets that we accept ALL federation cards so that anyone that wants to can come and compete against the SPF lifters. It is a great meet and it is not going to be changed for anyone or for any reason. No we are not going to do a duel sanction with the IPA, if anyone wants to lift against whatever SPF lifters that decide to do the meet then they are more than welcome to come and compete as they have for the past three years. Again it is not about the Arnold or any other event it is about the Ironman and its lifters. ALL SPF lifters know they can go and lift anywhere at any time they want to. We have no strings on them like some federations try to, we tell everyone to lift where you want and have fun and I truly believe that’s why they lift with the SPF, because they enjoy it. This is the only post I am going to make on the subject so say whatever but we are the SPF and the money that is paid out at the Ironman comes out of Louie’s, Brent’s, mine and whatever sponsors we can dig up pockets. It is for the Ironman and everyone is welcome to come and get it, and the Ironman IS FOR THE SPF LIFTERS and we accepts all other federation members for this day. To me that is the unity everyone keeps throwing up and done Southern style. The SPF will do as ALL federations do and run meets as our lifters want them. I have yet to see any federation move over just because the SPF decided to do a meet and there are several different meet directors and federation all around the south. Many times we have meets on the same day, just happens part of life and we all still come to all the meets as we can. Once again the Arnold thing everyone keeps talking about is Danny’s deal, not ours. Our deal is the Ironman, two different things totally. I hope everyone lifts where they have the most fun and enjoyment and lets everyone else do the same. Jesse Rodgers

Submitted by BigWade on
This is as well stated as can be. Sponsored by APT, House of Pain, Jenkins Chiropractic, BMF Sports & Titan

Submitted by Brad Podkulski on
Better question: If the SPF and IPA join forces, will you even have to unrack the bar to get whites?

Submitted by rodgersmadmax on
[quote=Brad Podkulski]Better question: If the SPF and IPA join forces, will you even have to unrack the bar to get whites?[/quote] That's ok Brad, 99% of the remarks like yours are made from people just like you. They have never been to a SPF meet and know nothing about what they are talking about but enjoy running others down.

Submitted by BigWade on
Go to a meet and see, "Brad". Sponsored by APT, House of Pain, Jenkins Chiropractic, BMF Sports & Titan

Submitted by Byron on
[quote=rodgersmadmax]That's ok Brad, 99% of the remarks like yours are made from people just like you. They understand below parallel is defined as "hip crease passes below the height of the knee" but have rarely seen SPF judges enforce it.[/quote] Is this what you meant to say? You talk about running others down, but you have no problem with half squats being passed? That kind of runs down people who actually squat to depth.

Submitted by BigWade on
Hey Byron, we can derail this thread if you like/must but, I would invite you to come and see for yourself. Be there in person and then give an opinion. Ultimately, this is about the SPF doing the meet as planned and scheduled as it has every year. Best of luck to Dan and his meet. Sponsored by APT, House of Pain, Jenkins Chiropractic, BMF Sports & Titan

Submitted by Ronald W. Jeffery on
Combining organizations for the Arnold sounds like a good Idea. Are there qualifying totals or is it strictly invitational? With qualifying totals, I think anyone from any organization should be able to enter. It could become a true national championship

Submitted by Mike Hedlesky on
The internet is ruining powerlifting. Are any of the people leaving these comments even lifting at any of the 3 meets mentioned in the poll?

Submitted by soco barbell on
[quote=mhedlesky]The internet is ruining powerlifting. Are any of the people leaving these comments even lifting at any of the 3 meets mentioned in the poll?[/quote] I'll be in the Iron Man.

Submitted by usbbq on
Jesse n Wade are right. Can't figure out how SPF got brought up in a discussion of the Arnold ne way. Is this like the discussion of weight classes? Creating an issue where there isn't one? I've lifted with NASA, USAPL, AAU and SPF over the past 30 years. Always had more fun and was completely happy with SPF meets. That's why I do more of them nowadays. But I'll continue to make other feds' meets every now and then. All feds do a very good job running PL meets, I just have more fun with the SPF.

Submitted by Lone Star Curt on
[quote=usbbq]Jesse n Wade are right. Can't figure out how SPF got brought up in a discussion of the Arnold ne way. Is this like the discussion of weight classes? Creating an issue where there isn't one? I've lifted with NASA, USAPL, AAU and SPF over the past 30 years. Always had more fun and was completely happy with SPF meets. That's why I do more of them nowadays. But I'll continue to make other feds' meets every now and then. All feds do a very good job running PL meets, I just have more fun with the SPF. [/quote] What was more fun about the SPF meets?

Submitted by NolanPower on
[quote=Lone Star Curt] What was more fun about the SPF meets?[/quote] For most people I think its not having to squat below parallel

Submitted by Dave Schwab on
Just a reminder that the Lexen meet is NOT an IPA meet. Danny is looking to bring in judges from all federations, watch his video again. He'll be using IPA rules, but IPA/SPF/APF are all pretty much the same rules, with the exception of the squat command in the APF.

Submitted by natthebest1 on
[quote=Dave Schwab]Just a reminder that the Lexen meet is NOT an IPA meet. Danny is looking to bring in judges from all federations, watch his video again. He'll be using IPA rules, but IPA/SPF/APF are all pretty much the same rules, with the exception of the squat command in the APF.[/quote] Ok so its not an IPA meet which means NOTHING ! no matter what any one thinks, becuase if its being a NON sanctioned meet, lifts DO NOT count they never have and never will. People flame the SPF for high squats but u wanna support something that isnt powerlifting, last time i checked to be a real powerlifting meet you had to have a sanction BOTTOM LINE! hell i might as well go get bench and have a meet in my back yard, and people cry division among the sport HA! adding in meets with no top level lifters and having it non sanctioned has to be the dumbest idea lexen has had yet.

Submitted by rodgersmadmax on
Just to clear it up even more, the SPF judges will be at the Ironman Classic that weekend.

Submitted by kotsaga vadym on
[quote=rodgersmadmax]Just to clear it up even more, the SPF judges will be at the Ironman Classic that weekend.[/quote] Even though I am far away from America - I live in Ukraine, but in the rules of the federation not only differences in teams on the squat, but RAW divisions. In the IPA are prohibited from using wraps on his knees when performing squats, and SPF is allowed. If the union of these two organizations, we must then find the uniform rules