Fredrik Svensson's 3rd Attempt-You Make The Call

Create: 05/29/2010 - 20:01
The IPF World Bench Press Championships 125+ battle ended in sensational and controversial fashion. Kenneth Sandvik benched 727 pounds/330kg on his third attempt. Fredrik Svensson then followed Sandvik and called 733 for the win. The lift was initially good; only to later have it overturned by the jury. Both videos are posted below. You decide...
Here is a video of Sandvik's lift:
Here is a video of Svensson's lift:
Junior 125+ lifter Tuomas Korkia-Aho benched a new junior world record of 327.5kg. Here is the video of his lift:

Comments

Submitted by Jeff Hackett 1 on
Svensson's looked good to me, it stopped midway but didn't dip so it should have been good. I haven't checked the rule book so I am not sure about this but Sandvik's feet were moving before he lowered it so his lift should have been over turned, if they are going to be over turning lifts. I think a Jury should not be allowed in the sport, if the judges pass it then it stands. If a ref is consistently bad he should be reeducated and if still bad, not be allowed to ref. J Hack. ULTIMATE SIZE, STRENGTH, AND STAMINA www.fitstep.com www.extremeselfprotection.com

Submitted by ktown clown on
Svensson's lift was good, no doubt about it. However, the win was most likely given to Sandvik as thanks for the wonderful tap dancing routine that he was able to execute during his lift. Strange, I thought the IPF was unusually strict about the movement of the feet???

Submitted by powerpei on
I believe we're all watching the same vid.... There is no "tap dancing" on the first vid after the start command (that's when it matters). And there is most certainly a dip in the second vid. not a big one, but there is some downward motion. Very impressive lifts none the less!!

Submitted by AbeHarrod on
It's nonsense if the judges pass it it should stand. Why even bother with the judges if the jury can see it all??? Abe Harrod

Submitted by Ryan Girard on
Yeah the bar dipped. Just watch the plates on the left side. Not a fan of the jury though.......

Submitted by srohr on
Yeah the bar dipped, watch it against the shirt of the left side spotter and you can see it clearer.

Submitted by lewistt on
Left side dipped. If you're gonna be strict, you just have to call it. Still, the jury thing is over the top, in my opinion. If an infraction is slight enough to get by the judges in a very strict fed., then it was most likely VERY slight. If you are going to get seriously anal, why not a video review of all lifts, from differing angles, and can the judges completely. Sheesh.

Submitted by Ed Kutin on
On watching the video the first time, it wasn't obvious that the bar did more than pause, which is not a violation. When I watched the video more carefully, I saw that the bar dipped a bit, so it would have been a correct call by the judges to have redlighted the lift. But they didn't. As to the jury, I quote from the IPF rulebook: [quote] 8. If a serious mistake occurs in the refereeing which is contrary to the technical rules, the Jury may take appropriate action to correct the mistake. They may at their discretion, grant the lifter a further attempt. 9. Only in extreme circumstances when there has been an obvious or blatant mistake in the refereeing will the Jury in consultation with the referees, by majority vote, reverse the decision. [/quote] The rules seem to make clear that the lift should not have been taken away. There was nothing blatant or extreme about the call. On watching a video replay carefully (which the judges do not have the benefit of, and the jury shouldn't either), a violation could be seen, but this could in no way be characterized as an "obvious or blatant" mistake. It was a judgment call by the judges, which after a lot of scrutiny could be seen, maybe, to have been not correct.

Submitted by Jay Siegel on
Both lifts looked close, but I'm not giving a call as all I'm seeing is the video. Jury should not have overturned a judgement call. Technical rules stipulate bar dipping must be entire bar, not just one side. If bar goes up more on one side, it can appear that the other side dipped, but remember this all takes barely a second, and is a judgement call. Did anyone notice Kenneth taking the 727# out of the rack himself without a liftoff? I have judged him in a world meet and I, personally, think this is an awesome feat. Al

Submitted by Mike Hedlesky on
Who the heck is the jury? It's only a matter of time before powerlifting is judged by veiwer phone in's. Like American Idol.

Submitted by Steve Winburn on
I watched the video six times and don't believe the weight dipped. The left side dipped as the right side surged a commensurate amount. Translation; it looks to me as if his shoulder girdle rotated slightly giving a false dip of the weight. About the worst criticism I could give is the lowering was precarious and could have been bad, as he looked to be fighting to stay in the grove.

Submitted by eggsurplus on
[quote=Steve Winburn]I watched the video six times and don't believe the weight dipped. The left side dipped as the right side surged a commensurate amount. Translation; it looks to me as if his shoulder girdle rotated slightly giving a false dip of the weight. About the worst criticism I could give is the lowering was precarious and could have been bad, as he looked to be fighting to stay in the grove.[/quote] False dip or not there was a negative displacement vertically.

Submitted by Internet Judge on
The dip was a lot clearer yesterday on the live stream, or at least that's what it looked like. Perhaps the jury should've given Svensson a second attempt for this one.

Submitted by Ed Kutin on
[quote=Internet Judge]The dip was a lot clearer yesterday on the live stream, or at least that's what it looked like. Perhaps the jury should've given Svensson a second attempt for this one. [/quote] They can't do that. They can't take away a lift from a lifter for a violation of the rules of performance and then give the lifter another lift because it was a close call. If it was a close call, the jury shouldn't have intervened. Which, as I stated earlier, I don't believe they should have.

Submitted by Regina Hackney on
The rulebook does say "obvious or blatant mistake". what it does not state who is observing this mistake, is it the jury, sitting a few feet away, watching the lift or is it all who are not that close or viewing a video at home or in a bar, after having a few who may or may not be train to judge. I have seen several "obvious or blatant mistakes", some overturned, some not. Regina

Submitted by Jay Siegel on
Watching again, there are two different start signals that I heard.......was this the problem, beating the start? That could be the reason for the jury's decision.

Submitted by Ed Kutin on
[quote=Pikitup]Watching again, there are two different start signals that I heard.......was this the problem, beating the start? That could be the reason for the jury's decision.[/quote] If the problem was that he beat one of two (!?) start signals, then shouldn't he have gotten another attempt after all?

Submitted by Gerfers on
What about the IPF Newsletter November 1, 2008 that states: "Item (5) Any downward movement of the whole of the bar in the course of being pressed out. Downward movement of one end of the bar, does not warrant failure." If the only dispute was the supposed "dip" then I hope that this can help resolve some opinions of the lift.

Submitted by Jbozzellemd on
The day I have to lift in a federation with a jury, or a phone-in judge(lol) is the day I retire from powerlifting!

Submitted by Rigdon on
Sandvik's lift was solid. Awesome. Svensson's lift was no good in my eyes. It definitely dipped a little. NO LIFT. No matter what federation you lift in this is not allowed. Tuomas Korkia-Aho lift looked to easy. Could have done a little more. Nice job.

Submitted by Island Dave on
Aloha Erik, It's one thing to initiate a post based on a bad call but quite another to invite the keyboard warriors to comment on a video of a lift. The judges in our sport have lost all credibility when just anyone can voice their opinion on this forum, informed of not. I feel that the Jury's decision to overturn the judges' call is more of a symptom of the same. We should not be inviting the opinions of the masses to discredit the judges and/or jury becuase of one isolated lift. As Mr. Hack stated previously, if a judge makes bad calls then re-train/re-certify him/her. if they repeat, then remove them. Otherwise the lift should stand as judged... two whites = good lift. Island Dave It's hard to imagine how much better this world would be, if all the people would just do what they said they would do.