Robert Wilkerson Hits 2nd Biggest Raw Squat Ever

Create: 01/24/2010 - 06:43
Robert Wilkerson (shw) squatted the second biggest raw squat ever recorded, regardless of weight class, at yesterday's SPF Alabama State Championships in Guntersville, Alabama. On a fourth attempt, Wilkerson squatted 950 pounds. His squat only falls short of Mark Henry's 953 pound effort in 1995. Wilkerson also made each of his first three attempts of 800, 850 and 905 pounds. On the day, Wilkerson added a 600 pounds bench press and deadlift to total 2,105 pounds raw. That total ranks him third on the Powerlifting Watch Lifter Rankings and puts him in the top 20 in the world on the Power Rankings.

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Submitted by mastermonster on
[quote=][/quote] 1st; who the **** is Bernando Gomez? And what makes you feel you are the Godfather of powerlifting standards? I know who Robert Wilkerson is. I know who Scot Mendelson is. And I know who James Henderson is. Thousands know who they are by their unbelievable accomplishments. But I'm still wondering who you are and why Robert, Scot or any other lifter should sweat what you think about belittling their lifts. Like I said...who are you? Did I miss your defining moment that made you the guru of powerlifting standards? If I did enlighten me! If not .........! Read between the dots!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
[quote=mastermonster][quote=][/quote] 1st; who the **** is Bernando Gomez? And what makes you feel you are the Godfather of powerlifting standards? I know who Robert Wilkerson is. I know who Scot Mendelson is. And I know who James Henderson is. Thousands know who they are by their unbelievable accomplishments. But I'm still wondering who you are and why Robert, Scot or any other lifter should sweat what you think about belittling their lifts. Like I said...who are you? Did I miss your defining moment that made you the guru of powerlifting standards? If I did enlighten me! If not .........! Read between the dots! [/quote] just because people don't know who you are, you can't give an opinion? We've all seen high squats, non-locked out benches etc, some people (eg you) just ignore the fact that there is a problem here, and criticise those who are actually concerned about the state of this sport

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I heard this was a phenominal lift and with a belt and knee wraps only! Can't wait for the video!

Submitted by phreak on
now THIS is a squat that will be remembered decades from now! Will he be the one to squat a raw 1000?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I thought Mark Henry was 948 but anyway Rob had more left, all four attempts looked easy. You knows if he will hit 1000 but he will out do the 950. He only called 950 because he thought the record was 948.

Submitted by Claude Bouyer (not verified) on
rob smoked all of his squats and had great depth he will take the all-time record gareenteed.......

Submitted by chip big hoot edalgo (not verified) on
a 950 squat is incredible raw. what did robert turn in on his bench and dead?

Submitted by rwilkerson (not verified) on
1. 948.0 (430.0) *2.34X SHW Marc Henry (US/71) 7/16/95 (430.0 kg. @ 405.8 lb., without a squat suit) (Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania) (ADFPA/WDFPF) Now this is on Powerlifting watch Rankings

Submitted by Staff on
[quote=rwilkerson]1. 948.0 (430.0) *2.34X SHW Marc Henry (US/71) 7/16/95 (430.0 kg. @ 405.8 lb., without a squat suit) (Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania) (ADFPA/WDFPF) Now this is on Powerlifting watch Rankings [/quote] Michael Soong's All-Time Records list it as a 948 pound squat. Johnny Vasquez's All-Time Raw Records list it as a 953 pound squat.

Submitted by Staff on
[quote=rwilkerson]well we will never know which one is correct. [/quote] It should be worked out soon.

Submitted by Staff on
[quote=rwilkerson]not complaing at all just wondering that was it. [/quote] Robert, This is clearly a frustrating situation for you. We hope to have these records reconciled as soon as possible.

Submitted by phreak on
Whether it's 948 or 953 is irrelevant. PL needs a freak to break to squat 1000 raw, and mr. Wilkerson clearly has the best cards right now!

Submitted by chip big hoot edalgo (not verified) on
[quote=phreak]Whether it's 948 or 953 is irrelevant. PL needs a freak to break to squat 1000 raw, and mr. Wilkerson clearly has the best cards right now![/quote] i know robert has benched arond 600 at the ala state meet. with a good dead to go along with that squat and bench , you're looking at a serious threat to break 2300 raw! talk about best cards!

Submitted by Johnny Vasquez on
OK I see there is some confusion. Mark squatted 948 at the adfpa nationals and then made a 953 at the wdfpf worlds. I have inside information on the lifts because I am form corpus christi (titan support systems' location). Mark came down to get fitted for a squat suit. He eventually chose NOT to wear the suit because he did not feel he had enough time to train in it so opted to just wear a singlet. Pete Alaniz can confirm this. The confusion might stem from an article in powerlifting USA regarding how impressive the 953 was do to the fact that he was only wearing a "loose suit". The loose suit was just a simple singlet, but in 1995 raw wasnt even a word yet....

Submitted by mastermonster on
[quote=Jvasquez]OK I see there is some confusion. Mark squatted 948 at the adfpa nationals and then made a 953 at the wdfpf worlds. I have inside information on the lifts because I am form corpus christi (titan support systems' location). Mark came down to get fitted for a squat suit. He eventually chose NOT to wear the suit because he did not feel he had enough time to train in it so opted to just wear a singlet. Pete Alaniz can confirm this. The confusion might stem from an article in powerlifting USA regarding how impressive the 953 was do to the fact that he was only wearing a "loose suit". The loose suit was just a simple singlet, but in 1995 raw wasnt even a word yet....[/quote] Then the 953 can not be legitimately counted as a raw lift since it was in an equipped division. Just as my single ply benches in multi-ply meets can not be counted as single ply ranking lifts. Some guys even bench or squat or deadlift raw in equipped meets regularly and there lift must still be counted as multi=ply...it's the same for everybody...famous or not. Mark Henry should get no more special consideration than any of us. That, in all fairness; should be corrected in your ranking list. I'm a Mark Henry fan but fair is fair. By Rob's next meet it shouldn't matter. He should nail a grand. But he should still be ranked fairly now and get his due on this squat.

Submitted by Staff on
[quote=mastermonster][quote=Jvasquez]OK I see there is some confusion. Mark squatted 948 at the adfpa nationals and then made a 953 at the wdfpf worlds. I have inside information on the lifts because I am form corpus christi (titan support systems' location). Mark came down to get fitted for a squat suit. He eventually chose NOT to wear the suit because he did not feel he had enough time to train in it so opted to just wear a singlet. Pete Alaniz can confirm this. The confusion might stem from an article in powerlifting USA regarding how impressive the 953 was do to the fact that he was only wearing a "loose suit". The loose suit was just a simple singlet, but in 1995 raw wasnt even a word yet....[/quote] Then the 953 can not be legitimately counted as a raw lift since it was in an equipped division. Just as my single ply benches in multi-ply meets can not be counted as single ply ranking lifts. Some guys even bench or squat or deadlift raw in equipped meets regularly and there lift must still be counted as multi=ply...it's the same for everybody...famous or not. Mark Henry should get no more special consideration than any of us. That, in all fairness; should be corrected in your ranking list. I'm a Mark Henry fan but fair is fair. By Rob's next meet it shouldn't matter. He should nail a grand. But he should still be ranked fairly now and get his due on this squat.[/quote] Johnny Vasquez's All-Time Raw Rankings and Michael Soongs's All-Time Rankings are different than the Powerlifting Watch Lifter and Power Rankings. They each determine the actual equipment worn for every lift included.

Submitted by mastermonster on
[quote=Staff][quote=mastermonster][quote=Jvasquez]OK I see there is some confusion. Mark squatted 948 at the adfpa nationals and then made a 953 at the wdfpf worlds. I have inside information on the lifts because I am form corpus christi (titan support systems' location). Mark came down to get fitted for a squat suit. He eventually chose NOT to wear the suit because he did not feel he had enough time to train in it so opted to just wear a singlet. Pete Alaniz can confirm this. The confusion might stem from an article in powerlifting USA regarding how impressive the 953 was do to the fact that he was only wearing a "loose suit". The loose suit was just a simple singlet, but in 1995 raw wasnt even a word yet....[/quote] Then the 953 can not be legitimately counted as a raw lift since it was in an equipped division. Just as my single ply benches in multi-ply meets can not be counted as single ply ranking lifts. Some guys even bench or squat or deadlift raw in equipped meets regularly and there lift must still be counted as multi=ply...it's the same for everybody...famous or not. Mark Henry should get no more special consideration than any of us. That, in all fairness; should be corrected in your ranking list. I'm a Mark Henry fan but fair is fair. By Rob's next meet it shouldn't matter. He should nail a grand. But he should still be ranked fairly now and get his due on this squat.[/quote] Johnny Vasquez's All-Time Raw Rankings and Michael Soongs's All-Time Rankings are different than the Powerlifting Watch Lifter and Power Rankings. They each determine the actual equipment worn for every lift included. [/quote] O.K. Thanks for clarifying. Then are Roger Ryan's and Bill Gallespi's, Tiny Meeker, Mike Womack, and other big 1 ply benches done in UPA, WABDL, and APF meets (multi-ply) ranked on Johnny's and Micheal's listings? I like that, but since there is no notation on the score sheet as to what equipment a lifter wore; it's based on word of mouth. And that is very unofficial and very unreliable. In an equipped meet no one is checking to see if a guy in a singlet is wearing briefs or if multi-ply, to see if a bencher is wearing 1 or 2 plies. Over time (even a short time) word of mouth gets really altered. Many will tell you 'all' of Ed Coans lifts were raw. I just think if it's not documented, it shouldn't be considered. All that was documented was Mark lifted in an equipped meet. It's kind of like drug testing by asking a lifter's trainer if he takes anything...not reliable. Anyway, Rob checked and saw 948 and squatted what he needed to break it. It was obvious to all there that he could have squated at least another 50 lbs.! Next meet it won't even be close.

Submitted by admin on
[quote=mastermonster][quote=Staff][quote=mastermonster][quote=Jvasquez]OK I see there is some confusion. Mark squatted 948 at the adfpa nationals and then made a 953 at the wdfpf worlds. I have inside information on the lifts because I am form corpus christi (titan support systems' location). Mark came down to get fitted for a squat suit. He eventually chose NOT to wear the suit because he did not feel he had enough time to train in it so opted to just wear a singlet. Pete Alaniz can confirm this. The confusion might stem from an article in powerlifting USA regarding how impressive the 953 was do to the fact that he was only wearing a "loose suit". The loose suit was just a simple singlet, but in 1995 raw wasnt even a word yet....[/quote] Then the 953 can not be legitimately counted as a raw lift since it was in an equipped division. Just as my single ply benches in multi-ply meets can not be counted as single ply ranking lifts. Some guys even bench or squat or deadlift raw in equipped meets regularly and there lift must still be counted as multi=ply...it's the same for everybody...famous or not. Mark Henry should get no more special consideration than any of us. That, in all fairness; should be corrected in your ranking list. I'm a Mark Henry fan but fair is fair. By Rob's next meet it shouldn't matter. He should nail a grand. But he should still be ranked fairly now and get his due on this squat.[/quote] Johnny Vasquez's All-Time Raw Rankings and Michael Soongs's All-Time Rankings are different than the Powerlifting Watch Lifter and Power Rankings. They each determine the actual equipment worn for every lift included. [/quote] O.K. Thanks for clarifying. Then are Roger Ryan's and Bill Gallespi's, tiny meeker, Mike Womack, and other big 1 ply benches done in UPA, WABDL, and APF meets (multi-ply) ranked on Johnny's and Micheal's listings? I like that, but since there is no notation on the score sheet as to what equipment a lifter wore; it's based on word of mouth. And that is very unofficial and very unreliable. In an equipped meet no one is checking to see if a guy in a singlet is wearing briefs or if multi-ply, to see if a bencher is wearing 1 or 2 plies. Over time (even a short time) word of mouth get really altered. Many will tell you 'all' of Ed Coans lifts were raw. I just think if it's not documented, it shouldn't be considered. All that was documented was Mark lifted in an equipped meet. It's kind of like drug testing by asking a lifter's trainer if he takes anything...not reliable. [/quote] Hey Buddy, At this time, there are no Single Ply All-Time Rankings.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
[quote=mastermonster][quote=Jvasquez]OK I see there is some confusion. Mark squatted 948 at the adfpa nationals and then made a 953 at the wdfpf worlds. I have inside information on the lifts because I am form corpus christi (titan support systems' location). Mark came down to get fitted for a squat suit. He eventually chose NOT to wear the suit because he did not feel he had enough time to train in it so opted to just wear a singlet. Pete Alaniz can confirm this. The confusion might stem from an article in powerlifting USA regarding how impressive the 953 was do to the fact that he was only wearing a "loose suit". The loose suit was just a simple singlet, but in 1995 raw wasnt even a word yet....[/quote] Then the 953 can not be legitimately counted as a raw lift since it was in an equipped division. Just as my single ply benches in multi-ply meets can not be counted as single ply ranking lifts. Some guys even bench or squat or deadlift raw in equipped meets regularly and there lift must still be counted as multi=ply...it's the same for everybody...famous or not. Mark Henry should get no more special consideration than any of us. That, in all fairness; should be corrected in your ranking list. I'm a Mark Henry fan but fair is fair. By Rob's next meet it shouldn't matter. He should nail a grand. But he should still be ranked fairly now and get his due on this squat.[/quote] Both of Henry's 948 and 953 were in drug tested meets, correct?

Submitted by mastermonster on
[quote=Anonymous][quote=mastermonster][quote=Jvasquez]OK I see there is some confusion. Mark squatted 948 at the adfpa nationals and then made a 953 at the wdfpf worlds. I have inside information on the lifts because I am form corpus christi (titan support systems' location). Mark came down to get fitted for a squat suit. He eventually chose NOT to wear the suit because he did not feel he had enough time to train in it so opted to just wear a singlet. Pete Alaniz can confirm this. The confusion might stem from an article in powerlifting USA regarding how impressive the 953 was do to the fact that he was only wearing a "loose suit". The loose suit was just a simple singlet, but in 1995 raw wasnt even a word yet....[/quote] Then the 953 can not be legitimately counted as a raw lift since it was in an equipped division. Just as my single ply benches in multi-ply meets can not be counted as single ply ranking lifts. Some guys even bench or squat or deadlift raw in equipped meets regularly and there lift must still be counted as multi=ply...it's the same for everybody...famous or not. Mark Henry should get no more special consideration than any of us. That, in all fairness; should be corrected in your ranking list. I'm a Mark Henry fan but fair is fair. By Rob's next meet it shouldn't matter. He should nail a grand. But he should still be ranked fairly now and get his due on this squat.[/quote] Both of Henry's 948 and 953 were in drug tested meets, correct? [/quote] I think so. But let me say this about Rob. I've talked to Rob a lot. We've talked about all kinds of topics from lifting to football and coaching (I used to coach football and he still does). One of the topics you always will end up on talking about lifting is drugs. Several times he's told me he'd be curious to know what he could do on them, but he couldn't be that hypocritical in advising his players to stay away from them if he were using them. Another reason I totally believe him is this. In his 1st meet (07 APF/AAPF Alabama) he didn't know about the tested /nontested status of the meet. He just filled out the form and marked APF. At the end of the meet I mistakenly called him up for the drug test. He came bouncing up all smiles and when I realised I'd made the mistake, he said; "I'll take it...nothin' here but beans and cornbread!". I know that's just my 'word of mouth' but for what it's worth; I still believe him as it's a topic we've discuss very recently. He is very devoted to his players and their image of him. He is just one of those 1 in a million specimens...with a great work ethic!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
[quote=Eric Talmant]Did he walk the squat out? Eric www.rawunitymeet.com www.erictalmant.com CITIUS,ALTIUS,FORTIUS Proudly Sponsored By: BMF Sports Ultra Life, Inc. Critical Bench Titan Support Systems APT Pro [/quote] No Eric he didn't, why would he when using a Monolift? This is the SPF, what others do is of no interest to the SPF.

Submitted by mastermonster on
Proudly sponsored by Titan Support Systems Inc. His squats looked unbelievably easy! I missed his 850 second and thought the 950 was his 3rd. I went over and started trying to talk him into taking a grand for a 4th. That's when he told me that was his 4th. AWESOME! His 600 bench looked pretty easy. He could have DLed more I'm sure. He took 600 on his 2nd and it came up so fast he didn't get it slowed at the top and it took him right over backwards. He took the 600 again instead of going up. I love watching him compete! A lot of good lifting yesterday!

Submitted by martin j drake on
Johnny Raw came into place as a division in 1994. Also Big Don Reinhouldt (sp) was 900+ in just knee wraps.

Submitted by rodgersmadmax on
Congrats big Rob,one hell of a lift. Glad I could be there. 2105 Raw is just plain crazy. Jesse Rodgers

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I meant to say, how does this compare to Don Reinholdt's 900+ squat?

Submitted by mastermonster on
Proudly sponsored by Titan Support Systems Inc. Thanks Jon. But my question still remains; is their 'word of mouth' criteria a good way to allow a lift? As in this case that word of mouth was enough to put Mark's 953 from an equipped meet to stand as raw. Not saying the lift wasn't raw. Just questioning the criteria Johnny's list used. It can lead to questionable entries and confusion...as in this case. But, at least; if Rob stays healthy he will remove any doubt his next meet. The 950 was just too easy! Congrats again Rob!

Submitted by Eric Talmant on
[quote=mastermonster]Proudly sponsored by Titan Support Systems Inc. Thanks Jon. But my question still remains; is their 'word of mouth' criteria a good way to allow a lift? As in this case that word of mouth was enough to put Mark's 953 from an equipped meet to stand as raw. Not saying the lift wasn't raw. Just questioning the criteria Johnny's list used. It can lead to questionable entries and confusion...as in this case. But, at least; if Rob stays healthy he will remove any doubt his next meet. The 950 was just too easy! Congrats again Rob![/quote] Every lift on Johnny's list has been verified by multiple people. He has checked, double checked, triple checked, and quadrouple checked his list. It took him well over a year of non-stop research and outstanding resources and connections to compile his list. Hundreds of phone calls, emails, thumbing through magazines, etc. Johnny and I talk almost every day and I told him his list had to be inpenetrable-and it is as much as can be humanly possible. Trust me Buddy-Johnny's list is about as good as it gets. Every lift on his list was either done raw (belt and singlet) or with knee wraps of the current generation. In regards to Robert wanting to take Mark Henry's record: he really needs to walk it out and do it the same way that Henry did. Just my .02 on the topic. If you are going to take a man's record that that man worked his whole life to achieve-then you should darn well give that man respect and do it the same way that he did it. Respectfully, Eric

Submitted by mightybrute (not verified) on
[quote=Sean Katterle][quote=Eric Talmant] In regards to Robert wanting to take Mark Henry's record: he really needs to walk it out and do it the same way that Henry did. Just my .02 on the topic. If you are going to take a man's record that that man worked his whole life to achieve-then you should darn well give that man respect and do it the same way that he did it. Respectfully, Eric [/quote] I totally agree with Eric on this note. If someone wants to beat Marc Henry's raw squat record, they need to do it in a federation that drug tests, requires the squat to be walked out and that has a strong history of enforcing squat depth. At the very least they need to walk the squat out and bury it in a federation that doesn't allow hands on spots. If they don't care about Marc Henry's record, then they can disregard, but their supporters will be knocked if they try and compare their friend's lift with Henry's. Stay Strong, Sean HardcorePowerlifting.com[/quote] and i bet you two were babe ruth fans who cried when it was finalized that roger maris broke HIS RECORD!! let me explain... first off, let clear up that no one on this thread other than rob can attempt such weight raw. lets also clear up that if we can't f**kin do it ourselves, we have NO RIGHT to talk sh*t about it. secondly..why don't we put a goddamn asterisk around the record then. i remember something occuring in sports history. lets see if anyone can remember...when roger maris broke ruth's record, because of the fact he had more games than he did, it wasn't "fair" to the babe and thus made maris' and ruth's record two separate ones instead of one. it was after maris passed when it was ruled that he and only he(roger maris) owned the record...not babe ruth. sounds like we are about to repeat history here. it doesn't matter how henry did it..record is a record. i've trained with rob and can say he can walk it out but again..what does that matter? i mean how does mentioning that he walked it out of a rack BEFORE monolifts came into existence fair to rob. and rob, while you BOTH "suggested" that isn't drug-free, he is. so yes...you can compare the two lifters and their lifts. rob, that was badass squat even though you told me you were just goin to "see" what you could go for that day. LOL!! last but not least..."records are made to be broken...and btw the world we live in "isn't fair"" time to deal kiddies and drink up that glass of shut the hell up, TB(bamabarbell)

Submitted by Steven Birdsong (not verified) on
[quote=mightybrute][quote=Sean Katterle][quote=Eric Talmant] In regards to Robert wanting to take Mark Henry's record: he really needs to walk it out and do it the same way that Henry did. Just my .02 on the topic. If you are going to take a man's record that that man worked his whole life to achieve-then you should darn well give that man respect and do it the same way that he did it. Respectfully, Eric [/quote] I totally agree with Eric on this note. If someone wants to beat Marc Henry's raw squat record, they need to do it in a federation that drug tests, requires the squat to be walked out and that has a strong history of enforcing squat depth. At the very least they need to walk the squat out and bury it in a federation that doesn't allow hands on spots. If they don't care about Marc Henry's record, then they can disregard, but their supporters will be knocked if they try and compare their friend's lift with Henry's. Stay Strong, Sean HardcorePowerlifting.com[/quote] and i bet you two were babe ruth fans who cried when it was finalized that roger maris broke HIS RECORD!! let me explain... first off, let clear up that no one on this thread other than rob can attempt such weight raw. lets also clear up that if we can't f**kin do it ourselves, we have NO RIGHT to talk sh*t about it. secondly..why don't we put a goddamn asterisk around the record then. i remember something occuring in sports history. lets see if anyone can remember...when roger maris broke ruth's record, because of the fact he had more games than he did, it wasn't "fair" to the babe and thus made maris' and ruth's record two separate ones instead of one. it was after maris passed when it was ruled that he and only he(roger maris) owned the record...not babe ruth. sounds like we are about to repeat history here. it doesn't matter how henry did it..record is a record. i've trained with rob and can say he can walk it out but again..what does that matter? i mean how does mentioning that he walked it out of a rack BEFORE monolifts came into existence fair to rob. and rob, while you BOTH "suggested" that isn't drug-free, he is. so yes...you can compare the two lifters and their lifts. rob, that was badass squat even though you told me you were just goin to "see" what you could go for that day. LOL!! last but not least..."records are made to be broken...and btw the world we live in "isn't fair"" time to deal kiddies and drink up that glass of shut the hell up, TB(bamabarbell) [/quote] couldn't have said it better myself

Submitted by BioLayne on
[quote=mightybrute][quote=Sean Katterle][quote=Eric Talmant] In regards to Robert wanting to take Mark Henry's record: he really needs to walk it out and do it the same way that Henry did. Just my .02 on the topic. If you are going to take a man's record that that man worked his whole life to achieve-then you should darn well give that man respect and do it the same way that he did it. Respectfully, Eric [/quote] I totally agree with Eric on this note. If someone wants to beat Marc Henry's raw squat record, they need to do it in a federation that drug tests, requires the squat to be walked out and that has a strong history of enforcing squat depth. At the very least they need to walk the squat out and bury it in a federation that doesn't allow hands on spots. If they don't care about Marc Henry's record, then they can disregard, but their supporters will be knocked if they try and compare their friend's lift with Henry's. Stay Strong, Sean HardcorePowerlifting.com[/quote] and i bet you two were babe ruth fans who cried when it was finalized that roger maris broke HIS RECORD!! let me explain... first off, let clear up that no one on this thread other than rob can attempt such weight raw. lets also clear up that if we can't f**kin do it ourselves, we have NO RIGHT to talk sh*t about it. secondly..why don't we put a goddamn asterisk around the record then. i remember something occuring in sports history. lets see if anyone can remember...when roger maris broke ruth's record, because of the fact he had more games than he did, it wasn't "fair" to the babe and thus made maris' and ruth's record two separate ones instead of one. it was after maris passed when it was ruled that he and only he(roger maris) owned the record...not babe ruth. sounds like we are about to repeat history here. it doesn't matter how henry did it..record is a record. i've trained with rob and can say he can walk it out but again..what does that matter? i mean how does mentioning that he walked it out of a rack BEFORE monolifts came into existence fair to rob. and rob, while you BOTH "suggested" that isn't drug-free, he is. so yes...you can compare the two lifters and their lifts. rob, that was badass squat even though you told me you were just goin to "see" what you could go for that day. LOL!! last but not least..."records are made to be broken...and btw the world we live in "isn't fair"" time to deal kiddies and drink up that glass of shut the hell up, TB(bamabarbell) [/quote] so since I am not going to run for office I don't have a right to vote? good thought process sir

Submitted by chip big hoot edalgo (not verified) on
[quote=Eric Talmant][quote=mastermonster]Proudly sponsored by Titan Support Systems Inc. Thanks Jon. But my question still remains; is their 'word of mouth' criteria a good way to allow a lift? As in this case that word of mouth was enough to put Mark's 953 from an equipped meet to stand as raw. Not saying the lift wasn't raw. Just questioning the criteria Johnny's list used. It can lead to questionable entries and confusion...as in this case. But, at least; if Rob stays healthy he will remove any doubt his next meet. The 950 was just too easy! Congrats again Rob![/quote] Every lift on Johnny's list has been verified by multiple people. He has checked, double checked, triple checked, and quadrouple checked his list. It took him well over a year of non-stop research and outstanding resources and connections to compile his list. Hundreds of phone calls, emails, thumbing through magazines, etc. Johnny and I talk almost every day and I told him his list had to be inpenetrable-and it is as much as can be humanly possible. Trust me Buddy-Johnny's list is about as good as it gets. Every lift on his list was either done raw (belt and singlet) or with knee wraps of the current generation. In regards to Robert wanting to take Mark Henry's record: he really needs to walk it out and do it the same way that Henry did. Just my .02 on the topic. If you are going to take a man's record that that man worked his whole life to achieve-then you should darn well give that man respect and do it the same way that he did it. Respectfully, Eric [/quote]are'nt there alot of walkout squats and monolift squats on the same raw list? i know i've done both so why should this match up be an exception? the answer is, until they create two separate categorys it's not. and believe me, i know monolift is easier than walkout because i only have standard racks to train with and only see those monolifts at meets.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
How can one of the all time greatest raw squats be done and there not be a video of it up yet?

Submitted by Jesse Israel (not verified) on
Eric, I have never viewed you as a raw zealot but your comment is ludicrous at best. The lift is a squat, not a walk out and squat. I have just lost a great deal of respect for you based upon that comment. Give credit where credit is due.

Submitted by Jesse Israel (not verified) on
[quote=Jesse Israel]Eric, I have never viewed you as a raw zealot but your comment is ludicrous at best. The lift is a squat, not a walk out and squat. I have just lost a great deal of respect for you based upon that comment. Give credit where credit is due.[/quote] And i should add that you find yourself in agreement with Katterle more than validates my feelings on the subject.

Submitted by dphelps on
Congrats Rob, but I would completely understand if you decided not to post a video...someone would obviously tear it apart even though you completed the lift with 3 white lights.

Submitted by Johnny Vasquez on
Alright, let me explain a few things. When I first did the raw list it was a novelty and basically for my own information. However, many people started to wonder what the best raw lifts were per weight class. Many lifters were setting records in the new raw divisions but many old timer lifters were claiming todays raw lifters didnt compare to the lifters of the past who were lifting without equipment. Well I decided to find out just how good they were and at first I took some by word of mouth. I removed those recently and simply used pictures and what was being used at the time by my own knowledge of when gear was created. I also used meet reports. Whats on my lists are accurate although there may be some lifts that were higher but I could not verify them. Those lifts unfortunantly will go forgotten in history. I could have used just todays raw lifts starting from 1996, but if I did then there would always be " well yea you say you have the alltime record squat at 500 but george crawford did 600 raw over 30 yrs ago" and he did and it cheapens the record. Bottom line is if you break one of these records then there is no question you have the best ever, not just from 1996 and you really do have an alltime record (as best documented). See, not wearing a suit or shirt is the same thing as raw and it doesnt matter when it started. Many of todays lifters have become so narcissistic that they can't fathom the thought that anyone was actually stronger than them. So why not just use todays raw lifts to set alltime records and lets forget the guys stronger than us. I am powerlifter like the rest of you, I am not great but I do well. I train just like everyone else and I show up at the meets to compete against the best. I don't care what federation record I break because I have over 20 or more federations and dozens of divisions spread over multiply, single ply, raw with wraps and raw without wraps. That is a huge amount to choose from and certainly I can set a record somewhere. What good is that? You know what I can't do? I can't set an alltime raw record on my lists. When I can, that will mean something. The only divisions I have are masters, women, men, drug tested, and open. Those are real divisions as far as I'm concerned. So in closing I just want to say do the best that you can with what you have. Train to beat your own best lifts. If you have the god given gifts to surpass the best in human achievement, than you are one of the few (just as it should be). For the rest of us, we can enjoy our next pr. Good day all and good lifting! Johnny Vasquez

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