In a thread at the 100% RAW forum, Sean Katterle asks members whether they believe that lifters who win untested pro, nationals, or world level meets are using performance enhancing drugs. Is that an accurate assumption? Is it a fair one to make? Jesse Israel: "No, I am not of the belief that all that win are using performance enhancing supplements." Rich Hutchison: "Yes, my gut reaction to anyone winning a big untested meet is to assume that he/she is a drug user. That doesn't make me happy, and it's a sorry state of affairs, but I truly believe that I'd be right a lot more often than wrong. It depends on the results to some degree; e.g., I don't believe that ANYONE can bench 800 pounds raw and drug free. Why else not test?"