The USAPL has a three years off policy before you can compete there.However,I think if you were ever on steroids,you ALWAYS have an advantage over a lifetime drug free lifter.Do you guys think a three or five year ban is long enough,or do you think once your on,you always should be considered a juicer.
I think as long as you can pass the test you are fine. A 3 year wait is crazy, there is no way that you can prove a lifter has been clean for 3 years. As far as a advantage that depends on the lifter, if he started using as a beginner then he will be at a disadvantage after he stops using. If a lifter has built a lot of strength and has made a lot of gains over years of training, before he started taking roids, then has made a lot more gains with drugs then he will have a advantage when he comes clean, because he has expereance both ways. No I am not on here promoting drug use, but drug testing has enough controversy, the 3 year wait just gives it more problems.
As one who now knows the difference I think 12 months off is fine. Anyting more is paranoia.
Most of those I know who were "long term" users end up with a lower than normal hormone count down the road. I would think they would be at a disadvantage because of the lower hormone count. Not that this happens to everybody but I did run into that situation several times when I worked for a VA hospital and people suffering from diminished hormone counts admitted to having used in the past. Just something different to consider. My thought is 3 years would be enough. At most when somebody is legitimately off for 3 years the most they will have is a normal level.
I think 3 years is sufficient; even the WADA-prescribed 2 years is probably fine. The issue is that you can't test for "3 years drug-free" (at least not that I'm aware of). While the benefits are probably pretty tiny after three years, IMO there would be significant benefits for the lifter that had only stopped a couple months earlier, but could pass a test.
I can see your point about someone who uses will have an advantage, but what about someone who experiments and tries roids for say 3-4 months and decides it's just not something he wants to get into. Do you think that person will always benefit from being on for the short time they were?
I dont know about that,but I know this.I once stayed off for a year and a half and didnt train at all.I ate nothing but frozen pizza and chocolate chip cookies and whole milk[this was after a bodybuilding show in the 80s]for the entire year and half and my bodyweight never went under 235 and I always looked like I lifted.When I came back,it took me 2 months to get back to exactly where Id been when I left.I think once you take stuff,your different for the rest of your life,and I know if you take growth hormone,much of those gains are forevor.I think the juiced lifter,even if he comes off for 3 years,is ALWAYS at an advantage.
I agree. Especially when talking about athletes that have used for a longer time or have used GH/IGF/MGF etc etc. The changes that occur to the muscle fibers(like growing new ones, increased expression of AR's on the newly formed fibers etc) are going to give a lifter advantages for many many years to come. And low test levels post usage, especially after a couple of years can be elevated by natural means (provided the male is not too old, follows good nutrition and lifestyle practices etc) to a point where there should be no detrimental impact on performance. Now while a former user is not going to feel the way they did when there were jacked, even normal test levels is going to have the potential to be even more effective then the lifter who has never used before. My point, not clearly articulated since the coffee (drugs!) has not kicked in yet is that a past user is going to have an advantage IMO.
I think that while ON, a person can build bigger more quality muscle and if they were to stop the juice and continued to tain hard, they won't loose much. So, I agree that they would have some advantage even after 3years. If they were to stop training, the muscle will shrink. Use it or loose it.
3 years is fine. I think if I lose to someone who's been off for 3 years I have bigger issues then the small benefit they still retain from their AS usage. Time to ditch the excuses.