Can Anyone Squat 1,000 Pounds Raw?

Create: 02/16/2006 - 08:16
Or even 900 for that matter. At Monster Muscle they're trying to answer that question. The thread is started based partly on Scot Mendleson's interview for the upcoming powerlifting movie, Powerlifting Unlimited, where he claims to have raw squatted 1,000 pounds. Opinions on whether a 1,000 raw squat has been achieved:

However, all I know is that the IPF world record (SHW) is almost exactly a grand (in full single ply gear) and that the guy that owns the IPF SHW division - Brian Siders - has not been able to squat 1000lb GEARED! If you look at it that way then things don't add up: Either the top IPF lifters suck or someone is talking bullshit.

honestly i dont think anyone in just a belt and wraps can squat 1000 to depth to where it would pass in competition.. probably 900's no doubt tho

I would even be surprised by a 900lb raw squat (down to proper depth). Remember that Brian Siders's lifetime best is "only" 980lb in full gear. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on 900lb.

I think there are a few guys that could do 900 in wraps and a belt. Didn't Mikesell do 903 in the APF this way in the past year or two?

Mark Henry. He did over 9 in just wraps and a belt, if I'm not mistaken.

Evedently(correct me if i am wrong) Mikesell, Kuc, Reinhoudt, Popov(i think there is a video of him doing it raw in training in irongame) have done it.

I believe Andy Bolton can and probably Gary Frank. I KNOW that Steve Goggins at only 250lbs can squat over 800 no wraps without training for a raw squat. I would be willing to put money that he can do 900 in a short raw training cycle.

Paul Anderson is the only one I know of to handle that kind of weight raw. If you could find clips from the Ed Sullivan show Paul supposed did a 1200lbs. squat on there in like 1959-1960.

AS for the raw squat- don reinhoudt has the official highest raw squat of 947 pounds in just a belt, i wouldnt doubt him to be the STRONGEST squatter of all time - and i also believe that paul anderson squatted up to as much as they said he did

there is no one that has squatted a grand raw and if any one has i want to see it.you would think that if you could squat a grand raw they would take the time to do a meet raw and do it officailly.if they could do it. instead they just claim to do it. you know damn well if they did it as a gym lift they would have some video of the lift, come on how many of you guys video your PRs? i know i do.mendelson is full of shit.(i think his bench is shit too, but thats another story)if he squatted a grand raw he would do it in a meet, but no "squattings not his thing" there is a video on irongame of a russian guys squatting 947 or something in a belt in wraps and he is ass to calves.now if you want to talk raw thats a bad ass squat

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
What about CAPT.KIRK? He can for sure do 900..and if he went big again, bodyweight, I think he could do a grand...and you never question that mans depth...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Yea if kirk wanted to and actually trained for it he would deffinatly be able to get up a grand raw to well below acceptable depth

Submitted by Jim (not verified) on
"kirk is a scumbag"... :? Ok...so I'm hearing you guys ain't fishin' Wink buddies, but I'm not hearing how that answers the question at hand: is he a 900lb-squatting "scumbag" or a 1,000+lb-capable squatting "scumbag" Biggrin

Submitted by admin on
I deleted the negative comment as it didn't further this discussion whatsoever.

The Heaviest RAW Total was done on Saturday February 11, 2006 by Nick Minneti at the 100% RAW World Championships in Raleigh, NC. Beau Moore held the old record of 2065 lbs. Nick's Total on Saturday was: 2100 lbs. His Lifts: 800 lb. Squat 510 lb. Bench 790 lb. Deadlift Nick's Photos, Bio & Interview coming soon! Visit: http://www.TEAMiXL.com Right now if you can squat 800 RAW at competition depth you're one of only a handful of people that can do so on planet earth. In all Federations that offer RAW Powerlifting...to my knowledge there is no one on the planet that has squatted more than 800 lbs. Again that's in competition, legal depth and had their lift recorded as a Record! If someone can name the Federation, Athlete and the amount lifted, I'll stand corrected. The 1,000 lb. Squat is so far out there that to wonder about someone doing it when there are only a few...1, 2 maybe 3 that have done an 800 lb. squat in competition, only takes from those Athletes Herculean Efforts! 800 lb. RAW...is the Gold Standard of super human RAW Power, when it comes to weight lifted in the Squat. If there is to be a debate...then let it be over an 850 lb. Squat and the question should be: Will any of us be lucky enough to see someone do a squat so heavy RAW & Drug Free?

Submitted by admin on
Greg, many people consider using knee wraps as still lifting raw. With that in mind, do you think 900 is possible by anyone? With or without drugs.

Jon, I do know of people that think that wraps are part of RAW...The majority decision on this in regards to Federation Rules written by people focused on RAW Lifts states: No Wraps, No Suits & No Drugs. AAU, 100% RAW Powerlifting Federations. These two federations have more RAW Lifters registered than any other...and thus in regards to RAW Lifting are setting a standard. With that said. It could be done...Shane Hamman has squatted extremly heavy wearing a singlet and wraps...Nick Minneti...could give it a run. We may even have a few others on TEAM iXL that could or will lift such weight, Drug Free and wearing only wraps. www.TEAMiXL.com The key here is the individual that would be able to do this feat Drug Free...would need to have tremedous torso size and strength...to act as a base for stabalizing themselves under the weight. It's not just about Leg Strength...when your getting up around a 1/2 Ton. The suit and wraps purpose is to aid in the stabalization...of the Athlete so they can focus on the drive needed to get out of the hole. Mental strength is a huge factor as well. In short I think it can be done.

Submitted by admin on
It sounds like you think 900 is possible, even drug free. That seems to imply that more would be possible, like maybe 1,000, if drugs were used? Your take on the definition of raw is interesting. Due to the fractured status of powerlifting, including raw, it's somewhat hard to declare any organization(s) as setting a standard at this point. Have you seen that Monster Muscle is coming out with raw rankings and their definition of raw includes knee wraps?

Jon, Your point is what...I mean Monster Muscle now holds some type of heat or decision process that should be somehow more credible than the AAU or 100% RAW. If anything Monster Muscle should defer to Federations that spend the money, time and resource to support the lifter in what they do...Lift weights RAW & Drug Free! Anything else is simply helping to polarize the sport of Powerlifting. Something that we need in our sport...like a hole in the head! The future growth and mainstream acceptance will need both the factors mentioned above for our sport to reach its full potential. They are: RAW Lifting being done Drug Free! We need Champions & Totals...that parents can have their children admire and show them that the lifts that were done were True RAW Power. No special gear...or drugs...just an athlete doing battle against cold heavy steel. Winning because of Technique and Strength unsupported! I hope this clears up what camp I'm in...LOL Always Remember...There are No Limits Drug Free! http://www.TEAMiXL.com

Submitted by admin on

If anything Monster Muscle should defer to Federations... Anything else is simply helping to polarize the sport of Powerlifting. Something that we need in our sport...like a hole in the head!

That was my point, that powerlifting is fractured. No one is on the same page. Leadership will be determined by moving the sport, whether in raw or in total. It won't be determined by goals. At this point, most don't see any group(s) taking the lead in this regard. Greg, I don't think many people misinterpret the camp you're in - you're pretty clear in what you say. Smile By the way, here's the link to Greg's website.

Submitted by Sam Byrd (not verified) on
Greg, Capt. Kirk hit 826 raw no knee wraps at an AAu meet at 242lbs. also benched 460a nd pulled 777 i think for a 2046 total at 242.

Submitted by Sam Byrd (not verified) on
PS- wait for the New England Record Breakers Meet on May 6th! We will see what the big boys are capable of!!

Submitted by admin on
Unfortunately, the results probably will not be worth much in Greg's eyes as the meet will not be drug tested.

Submitted by Jay (not verified) on
I don't think a 900lb RAW Squat can be done drug free anytime soon. Let's not forget there are "drug free" lifters who are not actually drug free! Heck, many people will be lucky to Squat 600lbs RAW with proper depth and drug free. And that's the truth. I have trained in strongman, powerlifting, and olympic style's of lifting. Let me tell you most people have no clue what 700lbs feels like! But many people throws around these numbers like any old buddy can do it. I have seen guys who can supposingly squat 700-750 pounds RAW only to watch them do PARTIAL squats of that weight. And these guys were built for the squat! Anyone can claim to squat this or that, but doing it in a meet is another story. Even if someone does a RAW squat of 900lbs in a drug free meet everyone then will wonder if that person was actually drug free! So who knows if it really is possible.

Submitted by Michael A Taylor on
Jay wrote:
I don't think a 900lb RAW Squat can be done drug free anytime soon. Let's not forget there are "drug free" lifters who are not actually drug free! Heck, many people will be lucky to Squat 600lbs RAW with proper depth and drug free. And that's the truth. I have trained in strongman, powerlifting, and olympic style's of lifting. Let me tell you most people have no clue what 700lbs feels like! But many people throws around these numbers like any old buddy can do it. I have seen guys who can supposingly squat 700-750 pounds RAW only to watch them do PARTIAL squats of that weight. And these guys were built for the squat! Anyone can claim to squat this or that, but doing it in a meet is another story. Even if someone does a RAW squat of 900lbs in a drug free meet everyone then will wonder if that person was actually drug free! So who knows if it really is possible.
I agree and thats as far as that goes.

Submitted by eugene randall (not verified) on
a 1000 lbs raw squat is incredible.But there was some people who squatted 100lbs raw.But before told who are those supersquatters lets's have some consideration.When we talk about powerlifting squat,we are talking about a parallel squat,not a full ass to grass squat (in olympic style...).So,people like mark henry,or don reinoudt,that almost do a 1000(450 kg) lbs squat rawthey have maximum a full squat in the range of 850-860 lbs (380-390 kg ca).The same for the top ipf guys.But we can find the most incredible genetic freak in those sport who have more hystory and athletic exasperation than powerlifting or strongman.I talk about olympic lifting and shot put. In shot put,udo beyer could squat 450 kg raw! almost 1000lbs.And manuel martinez do more than 300kg bench raw. Let's talk about top guys in olympic lifting.Serge reding were witnessed by doctor mell stiff doing sets of 5 reps of speed squat with 400kg...without any spotters suit or belt!...Rudolf plukefelder,the coach of old russian olympic team in the 80s told that aslanbek yenaldiev do a 500kg squat ...all the way down with only a belt.It's hard to believe but enaldiev was famous for his ability to squat 455kg .But it was not drug free ...for shure!However i read that the record of the old dynamo team (urss olympic) was 1014 lbs.Hossein rezazadeh train with 400 squat raw easily.ass to grass.And for the lighter guys i know that david rigert was able to do 3 reps with 305kg raw at 198lbs.Three ass to grass fast reps.Idalberto aranda ,77kg, do a double with 290kg at the end of his workout (ironmind tape).so...a 1000lbs squat raw is possible but very hard!

Submitted by pk (not verified) on
dude guys like maruiz pudzinowski the strongman could hes strong as hell

Submitted by Jay (not verified) on
What is the current Raw Squat record in a powerlifting meet? I don't want to here about what some coach CLAIMS his athlete can do! I want to know what the actual RAW Squat record is! Eventually a 1000lb Raw Squat will be done however it will be done WITH drugs. The question is when! It will take a long time before a 1000lb Raw Drug free Squat can be done.

Submitted by eugene randall (not verified) on
a 1000lbs raw squat in a meet now,is very difficult.For the simply reason that anyone is interested by powerlifting raw meet.Elite powerlifting or strongman champions don't lift in infamous raw federation.Now there are federation like wpo or apf in which you can win a lot of money and become famous in the world.but there are triple ply suit monolift ecc...so a 1100 lbs wpo squat is maybe a 850 lbs raw parallel squat.In europe the most important federation is ipf.Thre are a lot of strong guys.but not many people start powerlifting..in russia thre are 10000000 people in weightlifting,and only 50000 in powerlifting.Many powerlifting champions was ex not elite weightlifter.the same for other athlete like shot putters.some discrete shot putters wins strongman contest.geoff capes (a world shot putter)wins 2 times the world strongest man but i think he wins only a commonwealth game in shot put.So is most rare to find a fenomenal freak nowedays in powerlifting.An guys that could done a 1000 squat raw maybe will never do a raw meet.For whichreason for example,guy like rezazadeh must do a powerlifting raw meet?

Submitted by admin on
Not only a raw meet but also drug tested. That's what makes the feat so difficult. Although as you say Eugene there may be those that can but they'll never participate under these conditions, so we'll never know.

Submitted by Jay (not verified) on
Eugene, Your posts seem to say that you believe weightlifters (Olympic, shot putters) are better squatters then Powerlifters and Strongman? If so why?

Submitted by eugene randall (not verified) on
No,because weightlifting and powerlifting are different sport.powerlifting squat is different to olympic style squat.but i want only to say tha olympic lifting have more hystory and exasperation.so we have many possibility to find the the most incredible talents in olympic lifting.i report anm article from the famous coach glenn pendlay:greyowl, we usually agree on most things but im gonna have to disagree with you on this one. ive competed in highland games, Ol, PL, and even a bit of strongman for fun... and i know and have trained with more than a few of the top guys in each sport. and ill say without a doubt that there isnt a highland games athlete alive that is as strong as any one of the top 5 superheavy olympic lifters. let me give you a couple of examples for comparison, exercises that all of the above sports do for training. military press... there are some strongman competitors who do in the low 400's, as well as some highland games guys and some bodybuilders even. but when the press was an event in OL, the top guys were doing over 500lbs. you mighyt say that the "lay-back" olympic style of pressing has something to do with this, but most other athletes get some knee kick to get the weight started, and some of the OLers such as redding and patera did VERY strict presses with in excess of 500lbs. this is just plain stronger than other strength athletes. power cleans... you might say that the squat clean and snatch are specialized, and OLers ahve an advantage. well, most strongmen, highland games guys, shot putters, etc, all do powercleans. jud logan was famous in the track and field world for a 440lb powerclean. from my experience, most highland games guys do less than 400lbs, but i do know a couple who have done 400lbs. i dont know any strongman competitors who have done 400, but i suspect some have. i know a couple of powerlifters who have done 400lbs, one is chuck V., and i know gary frank, who is regarded as the best and strongest powerlifter ever at superheavy has done 440lbs. ed coan reports having done 425. these guys are the best of the best in their respective sports. but the best olympic lifters powerclean above 500lbs. krastev did 529. friends tell me kurlovick did 529 also. jaber reportedly did 550 while training in bulgaria, weighing less than 300lbs. again, the OLers arent in a whole other class, but they are a bit stronger in a common exercise. squats. lets talk squats without powerlifting equipment. i know coan has done 825. i know several strongmen who report lifts between 750 and 800 for full squats. there are numerous shot putters and disc throwers who are in the 700-800 range. ive never personally known or seen a highland games guy with that huge of a squat, i do know one in particular who has done 700lbs, hes regareded in highland games circles as a monster with bad technique but strength to spare. but in OL, the record for the old dynamo club in the soviet union is 1014. tarenenko did 837lbs for a triple with a 2 second pause at the bottem of each rep. kurlovich is reported to have done reps with 880 very easily. ive seen shane do 804 with such ease that it looked like a warmup, and hes not even in the top 10 in the world. he definately got a 900lb olympic squat to go along with his official 1008 powerlifting squat. so again, the top OLers are a bit stronger. now, im not trying to just be pro OL here, so i want to tell you WHY, in my opinion, the top OLers are a bit stronger than the top guys in other sports... let me give you an example, jaber of bulgaria. he is totally state supported, he has no job. he trains 6-8 hours a day, that is his job. that is his only life. no worries about bills, food, drugs. everything is provided, he just has to train. compare to a highland ccompetitor. most likely, he has a job, and trains as a hobby. he travels every weekend throughout the season to compete, which he must do if he wants to make any money at all. same for strongman, although they dont compete as often. double that for powerlifters, they cant make a living at the sport. its a hobby. IF the current crop of strongmen, highland games athletes, powerlifters, were state supported, and trained under the same conditions at the top OLers, would they reach the same levels of strength? probably. but until that happens, they probably wont

Submitted by pk (not verified) on
if anyone could of squatted a grand raw it would have been bill kazmier that guy was one strong dude he deadlifted 800 raw like for 5 reps he was crazy.

Submitted by Jay (not verified) on
Eugene, I am not trying to start a big argument, but in all fairness to PL and strongman I disagree about OL being the strongest athletes. Power cleans: OL have the advantage due the fact they simply have better technique then other strength athletes. Because they use that type of movement all the time in training. The power clean is a lift that requires lots of technique. If guys like Pudzinowski, Coan and Gary Frank had the same technique training as an OL lifter they would easily power clean more weight. Military Press: Patera did a 500lb clean and Press which involves technique. It was not a true Military press. Military Press is done strict without a knee bend etc. Also I don't believe Patera ever won a WSM competition in which he competed in. Also chest press movements are very important for upper body strength too. OL don't train with chest press movements. Ed Coan outlifts(gym lifts) strongman Janne Virtannen, but he could never beat Virtannen in a strongman competition. I know strongman who use only olympic lifting training when they train in the gym and have good numbers yet lose in strongman competitions to "weaker" competitors. My point is that powerlifting, strongman, OLympic lifting are similiar in the fact that strength is the main goal, but each style can be very different in what lifts they train for( Principle of Specifity). Which brings up the question about who is the best squatters. OL lifters use the Squat as a very important assistance exercise, but it's not one of there main lifts. Also many squat "Olympic" style which puts the body at a disadvantage for maximum strength on that lift, but helps with assisting the Olympic lifts. Powerlifters focus on the Squat as one of the main exercises and place the bar and their stance in a better position for maximum weight. My point is that someone who trains strictly powerlifting style has a better chance at squatting more weight (parallel or full) then if the same person trained strictly Olympic style. As far as Russian OL squatting world record numbers? Where they done in a competition with judges etc.?

Submitted by eugene randall (not verified) on
jay, I post this considerations than i consider close the argument. Your considerations are very interesting!....I agree with you in a lot of points.I like very much powerlifting,and people like eddy coan are some af my heroes.But the fact is this: nowadays in powerlifting world there are few freak than in ol world.And in general the point is that ol have always have had more freaks than powerlifting,simply beacause of more people were involved in this sport.I think that the greatest freak in powerlifting world (in term of squat) was coan,hetfield,bridges,pacifico,and obviously cole and rehinoudt.In the late 70ies powerlifters like cole cook reinoudt lifts raw...and the great powerlifting squat raw off all time was 423 kg by don reinhoudt.Cole and cook did a bit more than 400 kg.Than arrived the squat suit.in the eighties and early 90ties there was shitty suits and only ipf and uspf rules....and incredible freaks like coan or hatfield arrived at over 1000lbs squats.probably guys like them if they started ol seriously maybe will be a great lifters..(hatfiell was a lightweight ol).But then borned a lot of federations like wpo apf wpl ecc ecc... Those federation introduced monolift double ply suite wraps ecc ecc....so nowadays we have two "kind" of powerlifting..Ipf stile and wpo stile. In ipf style there are "serious" judges and only one ply suits.But there are europeans guys.And in europe ol is predominant.so ...look at the 2005 ipf ranking...in the 90 kg the top squat is 375 kg....dimas have a 280 kg front squat (showed ina tape) and a 330 kg o squat....dont you think that under ipf roules didnt beat the 375 kg of Sergiy Romanenko? Also sevincdone a 280 kg (very very well done9 in a ironmind tape.Chackarov did a 350 kg at ca 93-94 kg.Rigert at 198 did 675 * 3...raw olympic style.Brian siders do 420 kg squat.bondarenko 450 kg.Don't you think that guys like hamman,or reza or sherbatis could do more under ipf roules?....let's talk about wpo powerlifting.they use monolift suits ecc...in 3 years (the first man to brake 500 kg barrier was goggins in 2003)the squat record is increased of more than 50 kg and a lot of people have done more than 1100 lbs! (and don't speak about bench press...)...i think that most of those increment are due to the evolution of the suits!...in 20 years of weightlifting the records are still by taranenko, krastev vardanyan ecc...in 3 years of pl almost all records are changed...all freaks??? i don't think. and during the seventies people like pater squatted 380 kg * 2 oli think that with a bit of training would be able to compete to reinhoudt or kazmaier...reding was witnessed do 400 * 5 resps of speed raw squat.So i think only that in the past both power and olympic had his strenght phenom...but now i think that this kind of rules have damaged powerlifting.and the top oilympiv guys are a bit stronger...bye

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I've heard that Bud Jeffries can Squat 1000 lbs. I've seen a video of him squatting 900 raw..only a belt and himself.

Submitted by at AWPC worlds... (not verified) on
i saw a guy squat 992, no more than an inch high, so it was redlighted with no gear, just a singlet, belt and wraps, by no means should he have been at AWPC worlds, but a freaky squat, very easy too. and I am a judge so i did see it was about an inch high at the most

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
I dont know, i would like to see someone like Jeff Everson would offer 10,000 to the first man to do it, like he did with the deadlift, so it would generate some intrest and get some of these monsters out of their gear even for a little while to see what they can do. This is 10% Luck, 20% Skill, 15% Concentrated Power of Will... 5% Pleasure, 50% Pain, and 100% Reason to Remember the Name!

Submitted by TheGymMuse on
Kirk hit 826 at 275 two years ago. 130 lbs more..., that is a lot of weight. But, I think 1,000 lbs, because I've seen Kirk train, would be within his range. But, he is older and has issues from years of abuse that his body has endured. I watched him toy with 605 for 6 reps in August last year.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
my dad dave waddington was the first man to squat 1000 lbs. drug free. he did it back in the 80s he even has pics of him squating with arnold shwartcsnagger

Submitted by Mikelard (not verified) on
Ive studied Olympic weightlifting for years, looking at squats I would of thought the all time (true) world record including unnoficials is maybe about 450-500 Kg (below parallel of the femur) (so its the whole legs below parallel) at the most. Paul Anderson possible is someone that could do that, I think his 1206 is possible an exaduration or partial squat, but i suppose if you have the correct genetic makeup, it is highly possible.

Submitted by d.m. (not verified) on
Just for kicks, youtube this: there is a guy named Bud Jeffries who is now a Christian strength athlete and minister. Youtube his name, there's a vid of him squatting 1000 from a dead stop, in a rack, off of pins that are in the bottom position. It might make you laugh.

Submitted by TheNewOx8 on
If anyone will ever do it- It will be Donnie. Squatting 955 off a low box out of a foam pad? pure insanity. He's the strongest human on the planet, no doubt... and no one will catch him. He's a true warrior, and if anyone is going to break his WR total, it'll be him. Rock on Donnie!!

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
TheNewOx8 wrote:
If anyone will ever do it- It will be Donnie. Squatting 955 off a low box out of a foam pad? pure insanity. He's the strongest human on the planet, no doubt... and no one will catch him. He's a true warrior, and if anyone is going to break his WR total, it'll be him. Rock on Donnie!!
Do u have video? Yes Donnie is an absolute beast. I was very impressed with him at the NERB and have followed him closely since then.

Submitted by Claude Bouyer Phenom on
Only The Strong Survive!!!!!!!! i think if sam byrd gains 20-30lbs he can do it easy sam is strong geared and raw thats who i have my money on

Submitted by Michael A Taylor on
Claude Bouyer 165 wrote:
Only The Strong Survive!!!!!!!! i think if sam byrd gains 20-30lbs he can do it easy sam is strong geared and raw thats who i have my money on
Byrd could though if you double the mass of your lifter then his strength increase is halved.

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
Tiger Taylor148 wrote:
Claude Bouyer 165 wrote:
Only The Strong Survive!!!!!!!! i think if sam byrd gains 20-30lbs he can do it easy sam is strong geared and raw thats who i have my money on
Byrd could though if you double the mass of your lifter then his strength increase is halved.
Is this the same as Micheal Taylor? just curious. What do u mean about "doubling the mass of lifter then strength increase is half"? Are u saying if one were to gain 30lbs of solid mass, they would only put about 15lbs on their lift? I have found about the opposite of that. Maybe i misunderstood?

Submitted by Michael A Taylor on
big_byrd52 wrote:
Tiger Taylor148 wrote:
Claude Bouyer 165 wrote:
Only The Strong Survive!!!!!!!! i think if sam byrd gains 20-30lbs he can do it easy sam is strong geared and raw thats who i have my money on
Byrd could though if you double the mass of your lifter then his strength increase is halved.
Is this the same as Micheal Taylor? just curious. What do u mean about "doubling the mass of lifter then strength increase is half"? Are u saying if one were to gain 30lbs of solid mass, they would only put about 15lbs on their lift? I have found about the opposite of that. Maybe i misunderstood?
Yeah man its me; I made a post about all of this. I also changed my name and login information becuase someone got into my old one and made a ridiculus post on powerwatch. I read from credible sources such as books by human kinetics that this is true. We are both right. Muscle mass is relatively stronger than your whole body is so if you gain 30 pounds; then your body will grow closer to that relative strength. But after a certain point this isnt going to be the case. You see right now im about 135 pounds pulling about 450 but if I double my mass then I'll weigh 270 and my pull will be only about 675 or so. I can double my weight but I can only add 50 percent more to my 1 RM. My pound for pound strength will go down from 3.3 to 2.5 times my own weight. Its basicially a rough estimate.... I will be absaloutly stronger but relatively weaker. Now since muscle is so much relitively stronger than that, in the short run if I get up to the 181s then I should be looking at pulling at 3.5 or so times my own weight. I'm only 18 years old and I have some filling in to do. If jon got to my post then what I am saying will be further explained.

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
Claude Bouyer 165 wrote:
Only The Strong Survive!!!!!!!! i think if sam byrd gains 20-30lbs he can do it easy sam is strong geared and raw thats who i have my money on
No i couldnt. Not yet at least. 830ish in wraps is about the best i can muster right now. Rob Wilkerson just hit a close 903 at the APF Bama last week. His squat is comin on strong.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Just for some info.... the only reliable federation is the IPF and note it was organised in the 40/50s. The records on there are realistic and they are very strict on rules and equipment. The world record for a raw squat cant possibly exceed 430 Kg.

Submitted by Mikelard (not verified) on
here is a list of the best squatters: 1. Brent Mikesell (517.5 Kg squat WPC - excellent depth - extremely good squat) 2. Andy Bolton (possibly leagal all time heaviest 550.5 Kg WPC) 3. Hossein Rezazadeh (Best probably all time Olympic squatter) 4. Aslanbek Yenaldiev (best claimed lifter all time - 500 Kg raw ???) 5. Shane Hamman - (IPF world record all time heaviest - single ply 457.5 Kg) 6. Paul Anderson - Claimed a raw squat of 544 kg???) 7. Marc henry - (Raw all time wr holder 430 kg - no evidence) 8. Don Reinhoudt - 422.5 Kg - 4th best IPF squtter all time - Suit???) Out of these i would say the all time best squtter is: Shane Hamman i would say is the only official and reliable best all time squatter. I would say raw he could do a certain 425 Kg - defeating all raw claims - Pauls 544 kg was unnoficial, Yenaldiev 500/455 was claimed, Vladislav Alkahov's 567 kg was not a definate squat.

Submitted by Michael A Taylor on
You lift today, sleep tonight, eat tommarow and live Forever. Look if anyone was to squat 1000 pounds he would have to be 400 pounds min and really be 25 or so years old...theres no way anyone other than maybe Marc Henry or Brian Siders would of been able to get that weight. You really need to get to the nuts and bolts of the way the human body works in order to know if anyone can or cant.

Submitted by Michael A Taylor on
You lift today, sleep tonight, eat tommarow and live Forever. You know after seeing C4 SQUAT 800 @ 225 I cant doubt it.

Submitted by Phil Duke Jr. (not verified) on
I think Sam Byrd will do it someday soon, whether at 220 or 242. That man is crazy stong....

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
Phil Duke Jr. wrote:
I think Sam Byrd will do it someday soon, whether at 220 or 242. That man is crazy stong....
Again, im workin for it... but baby steps for now. All u guys have just about convinced me to see what happens if i eat for a little while and gain some weight. Im not totally sold yet, but im considering it. Im just not looking forward to the diet that will follow later!

Submitted by Michael A Taylor on
big_byrd52 wrote:
Phil Duke Jr. wrote:
I think Sam Byrd will do it someday soon, whether at 220 or 242. That man is crazy stong....
Again, im workin for it... but baby steps for now. All u guys have just about convinced me to see what happens if i eat for a little while and gain some weight. Im not totally sold yet, but im considering it. Im just not looking forward to the diet that will follow later!
You already own several world records and with raw strength like yours, after seeing that 705 at 210; I would bet that if you get into the 275s or 308s then 950 to 1000 is totally possible.

Submitted by big_byrd52 on
Tiger Taylor148 wrote:
big_byrd52 wrote:
Phil Duke Jr. wrote:
I think Sam Byrd will do it someday soon, whether at 220 or 242. That man is crazy stong....
Again, im workin for it... but baby steps for now. All u guys have just about convinced me to see what happens if i eat for a little while and gain some weight. Im not totally sold yet, but im considering it. Im just not looking forward to the diet that will follow later!
You already own several world records and with raw strength like yours, after seeing that 705 at 210; I would bet that if you get into the 275s or 308s then 950 to 1000 is totally possible.
only way im gettin to 275s is when i weigh in at 243! 308s will never happen! The heaviest i have ever been was 247, and i was freakin miserable. that was in 2004 before i started power lifting... ya know what the funny thing is... when i was bodybuilding, i only had abs right before the show and was fat the rest of the year. Now im powerlifting and have abs all year long... like the cigerette commercial-- whatdafukisupwitdat?!

Submitted by Michael A Taylor on
big_byrd52 wrote:
Tiger Taylor148 wrote:
big_byrd52 wrote:
Phil Duke Jr. wrote:
I think Sam Byrd will do it someday soon, whether at 220 or 242. That man is crazy stong....
Again, im workin for it... but baby steps for now. All u guys have just about convinced me to see what happens if i eat for a little while and gain some weight. Im not totally sold yet, but im considering it. Im just not looking forward to the diet that will follow later!
You already own several world records and with raw strength like yours, after seeing that 705 at 210; I would bet that if you get into the 275s or 308s then 950 to 1000 is totally possible.
only way im gettin to 275s is when i weigh in at 243! 308s will never happen! The heaviest i have ever been was 247, and i was freakin miserable. that was in 2004 before i started power lifting... ya know what the funny thing is... when i was bodybuilding, i only had abs right before the show and was fat the rest of the year. Now im powerlifting and have abs all year long... like the cigerette commercial-- whatdafukisupwitdat?!
Thats crazy man. lol

Submitted by Wade (not verified) on
No whinning...just eat Never eat on an empty stomach. Next time you are up this way, holler at us.

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