Great attempt definitely hitched look at it going over the knees.
I was surprised as he's lifting conventional back then! He had no problem locking out tough which you can't say with his big sumo pulls. Grip to close?
I have definitely seen far worse lifts get three whites, but there appears to be a rebending of the knees after they are nearly locked out. Still a great effort from a legend.
I have watched this clip over and over. Only thing I can see that could be wrong is the lean back just over the knees, jesus its so close to call. Tom is a deadlifting freak, sweet lockout. Regardless if it was red lights, he lifted 800 pounds off the ground to lockout. There are super heavyweights that cant do that. I will save this to the rest of my collection before training. Tom you have a new fan!!
Chris Jenkins
Definitely reds, but wow what an amazing effort. I read the road to redemption but it never mentioned him going for it again after that until 2008. Did he not give it another shot until then or what?
Man tough call, I don't think I would call it a hitch but but I don't think he stood fully erect as his upper back was severely rounded. Also it looked like the bar was slipping out of his right hand just before he set it down. I think it was the correct call.
Hope all the help he is getting from his trainers will get him to 800 and beyond, I would add lockouts and partials too. Good luck Tom I know you will get it, just keep trying for more once you do, would hate to see you think 800 is the end complete.
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Could have gone either way but looked to be a bit on the hitched side. Always wait for the lights, I learned that lesson on a 570@165 when my foot moved and I got 3 reds.
In that era, the judges never, ever gave the benefit of the doubt to the lifter. A lot of West Coast judges were worse- I have seen lifters redlighted for" parts of their equipment touching the ground" ( IE their shoelaces) , or the killer"being a 1/16th of an inch high ( only Superman with his mythic vision could discern that difference in such a short time). Today, the lift would have gotten 3 whites. I think it should have gotten whites, but I'm a little biased, as Tom is a friend.
To Powerlifting!
Ron Fernando
[quote=Ronald Fernando]In that era, the judges never, ever gave the benefit of the doubt to the lifter. A lot of West Coast judges were worse- I have seen lifters redlighted for" parts of their equipment touching the ground" ( IE their shoelaces) , or the killer"being a 1/16th of an inch high ( only Superman with his mythic vision could discern that difference in such a short time). Today, the lift would have gotten 3 whites. I think it should have gotten whites, but I'm a little biased, as Tom is a friend.
To Powerlifting!
Ron Fernando[/quote]
Ron, I really enjoy your writing, and you have some authentic platform cred. While I agree that red lighting someone for shoe laces is a bit much, I think, overall, it was better in the days when the judging was uniformly strict (with Mucci, Haley, Waters, Hughes, etc.). No one should ever get the benefit of doubt on a lift. Either the judge saw it as good or he/she didn't. I personally lost a couple of pr DLs, one of which would have been a meet winner, years ago that the crowd thought should have passed, but I knew they were slightly hitched to complete. I went to watch a couple of big meets in recent years and was amazed at what was passing...especially in the bench.
What deadlifting arms Tom has. Fully locked out and hands just above his knees. Awesomely long arms.
I say, Tom should lift at the deadlift meet next year and get his 800! How cool would that be! Who ever is running that meet, make it happen, you can dooooo eeeeet.
Also, Ed Coan should come out of retirement and pull one last time at the that meet too.
So, you'd have, Tom, Ed and all the current freaky pullers.
Stranger things have happened.
Even after years of questioning the judges that gave me a red light, by the judge that gave me awhite light, they never were clear why they gave me a red light. As a matter of fact, both judges have since stated that the lift was good.
So how is it that anyone can look at that accomplishment and clearly dissmiss it?
It seems like the utmost deadlifter, Andy Bolton, and one of the all-time greats, Chris Jenkins, have something in common with all my friends and the three judges, that is a recognition of the lift being good. Thank you all!
Chris Jenkins, I am a big fan and I've watched your awesome lifting many times on youtube! Easy 773! Great inspiration!
Andy Bolton, thank you for the big validation! Alex Campbell promises me a front row seat at the Greatest Deadlift Show on Earth!
You are the strongest man on the planet and if you say three whites then three whites it most definitely is!
Ron, awesome work! Thank you.
Jon, I appreciate you publishing the story.
Tom
I have seen Tom lift several times in WABDL contests, even trying 800 again at least once.
A fantastic deadlifter. However, as an APF judge, I would have red-lighted the lift for hitching. Very, very, very close.
Tom, you are a beast. That was the first time I watched that. Watched a couple of times and it appeared like a solid lift - did not look like a hitch as it was in motion the entire time. The bar looked like it was continuous on the ascent. Too bad it was redlighted. Awesome lifting!
Who cares, he was judged how he was judged. 800 blew up off the floor and he locked it out. Regardless of hitching or thighing or whatever the hell else people are going to say, he did it. I hope Tom breaks Boltons record before he is done. I can't wait for a rematch with him at the NOTLD this year.
[quote=Hedlesky]Who cares, he was judged how he was judged. 800 blew up off the floor and he locked it out. Regardless of hitching or thighing or whatever the hell else people are going to say, he did it. I hope Tom breaks Boltons record before he is done. I can't wait for a rematch with him at the NOTLD this year.[/quote]
Thank you!
This is why I was glad I got the video after 24 years! So people that are interested in PL can enjoy it!
It will be an honor to lift on the same platform as you this OCTOBER at the NOTLD!!!
Here's a challenge:
Come on down to Alex Campbell's Extreme Deadlifting show and see who takes home the money!
The Night Of The Living Deadlift is the wild and well run show in TN, near Halloween to find the top Deadlifters in the World!
I'll be there, Sgt. Rock, Doc Holloway, Robert Herring, the two time IPF Pro DL champ, Hedlesky and there will be up to 30 lifters.
If you think you can deadlift you don't want to miss this!!!
[quote=tom eiseman][quote=Hedlesky]Who cares, he was judged how he was judged. 800 blew up off the floor and he locked it out. Regardless of hitching or thighing or whatever the hell else people are going to say, he did it. I hope Tom breaks Boltons record before he is done. I can't wait for a rematch with him at the NOTLD this year.[/quote]
Thank you!
This is why I was glad I got the video after 24 years! So people that are interested in PL can enjoy it!
It will be an honor to lift on the same platform as you this OCTOBER at the NOTLD!!!
Here's a challenge:
Come on down to Alex Campbell's Extreme Deadlifting show and see who takes home the money!
The Night Of The Living Deadlift is the wild and well run show in TN, near Halloween to find the top Deadlifters in the World!
I'll be there, Sgt. Rock, Doc Holloway, Robert Herring, the two time IPF Pro DL champ, Hedlesky and there will be up to 30 lifters.
If you think you can deadlift you don't want to miss this!!![/quote]
Yes I am planning on doing this event. To my knowledge you can wear whatever gear you want, it is an untested event, and the judges will be from different feds, not all the same. Unlike the USAPL if Alex gives you the OK to compete, the chance wont be taken away in a childish and pointless manner, yes I am talking about YOU USAPL. USAPL booted Tom from its DL event, I would assume they will send there best pullers to this event to show they are better pullers than Tom? For all the haters that want to prove themselves and do it for real instead of anonmymous internet diarrhea of the mouth, show up at this event. I am traveling as far as anyone to this show, no excuses, shut up and show up.
Semper Fi
I think we are all very fortunate to have this piece of powerlifting history. Probably one of the greatest strength feats ever.
Tom is a wonderful person and lifter and I hope more than anyone that he pulls it. He deserves it. I know he is trianing right now for the NOTLD in the fall and I hope he does it there so I can witness it personally.
The fact is it was a good lift. The judges were there and said it was good. Nice pull in my opinion. Yes it was a close call but on that day it was good for them so why even talk about it being good or bad. I say great pull unreal. Ken Ufford
[quote=Ken Ufford]The fact is it was a good lift. The judges were there and said it was good. Nice pull in my opinion. Yes it was a close call but on that day it was good for them so why even talk about it being good or bad. I say great pull unreal. Ken Ufford[/quote]
You didn't read the original topic at all, did you?
I think Tom is a great champion and humble with it. After talking to Andy Bolton I think I'm going to try and make it to The NIght of the living deadlift. I honestly believe Tom can do 800, I'm hoping to be at the same show when he does it so I can shake his hand. Could possibly flying over with Mr Bolton, I wouldnt want to miss him pull over a grand again.
[quote=Chris Jenkins]I think Tom is a great champion and humble with it. After talking to Andy Bolton I think I'm going to try and make it to The NIght of the living deadlift. I honestly believe Tom can do 800, I'm hoping to be at the same show when he does it so I can shake his hand. Could possibly flying over with Mr Bolton, I wouldnt want to miss him pull over a grand again.[/quote]
Andy is coming over for NOTLD and his own Challenge?
I gotta say that was one of the most impressive deadlifts I have seen for a guy his size.
...truly amazing.
We have the pleasure of seeing it again and again to make a decision. In real time you would definitely get whites.
I dont know what fed etc and the rules of that fed. I will say that your knees appeared locked and then came unlocked and you look like you caught yourself prior to actually getting the legs under the bar.
again...one of the darn most impressive feats of strength I have seen.
thanks for sharing that with us Tom.
Thanks for the kind words. Writing about P/L is a privilege and honor and it is folks like you keep me writing. Now, a little personal anecdote: In 1983, I was getting limbered up as a decent dead-lifter and entered the West Coast DL Championships held in San Fransisco. I trained hard, made weight (181) and pulled enough to take 2nd. Those were the days of one fed, and about 10 guys per class, so I was , overall very satisfied, until the following happened: A Northern Cal referee ( I wont name him because it is not my intention to embarrass or belittle anyone, especially after all of these years) told me that he WAS DISQUALIFYING ME FROM THE CONTEST, because I had "failed to check in all of my equipment used on stage". The unchecked piece of "equipment" in question- a 50 cent plain white SWEATBAND that I used to keep the perspiration off my face. A really good judge would have seen the difference between the "Spirit" of the rule- IE preventing someone from sneaking in illegal gear, and this. I tried to make a case because, after all, I didn't check my glasses in or my silver chain I wore around my neck either, but this ( idiot) didn't want to listen. So...I lost a good deal of money as I paid my own expenses, etc and most of all, I felt humiliated by some miserable ref trying to be a tight-ass in a purely amateur sport. Like I said, I won't name his name, because who needs the grief, but I for one will never forget it.
Ron Fernando
To Powerlifting History Past, Present and Future
[quote=Ronald Fernando]Thanks for the kind words. Writing about P/L is a privilege and honor and it is folks like you keep me writing. Now, a little personal anecdote: In 1983, I was getting limbered up as a decent dead-lifter and entered the West Coast DL Championships held in San Fransisco. I trained hard, made weight (181) and pulled enough to take 2nd. Those were the days of one fed, and about 10 guys per class, so I was , overall very satisfied, until the following happened: A Northern Cal referee ( I wont name him because it is not my intention to embarrass or belittle anyone, especially after all of these years) told me that he WAS DISQUALIFYING ME FROM THE CONTEST, because I had "failed to check in all of my equipment used on stage". The unchecked piece of "equipment" in question- a 50 cent plain white SWEATBAND that I used to keep the perspiration off my face. A really good judge would have seen the difference between the "Spirit" of the rule- IE preventing someone from sneaking in illegal gear, and this. I tried to make a case because, after all, I didn't check my glasses in or my silver chain I wore around my neck either, but this ( idiot) didn't want to listen. So...I lost a good deal of money as I paid my own expenses, etc and most of all, I felt humiliated by some miserable ref trying to be a tight-ass in a purely amateur sport. Like I said, I won't name his name, because who needs the grief, but I for one will never forget it.
Ron Fernando
To Powerlifting History Past, Present and Future
[/quote]
Incredible! A lot of people might have left the sport after such a disappointment. I recall a meet equipment check in 1981 (Sacramento, California) where they were having a lifter cut off the edges of the soles of his running shoes with a box cutter in order to conform with some goofy rule. That he was competing in running shoes pretty much indicated he was new to competition. In that same meet another new lifter was DQd because of a t-shirt infraction. I think it had a pocket or something. I never saw him come out to lift again. Everyone knows that those pockets, in addition to making the shirt a 2ble ply, add 20 to 30 lbs on a lift. I think now they are just warning the new guys about that stuff, but back then there was no quarter given.
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Ronald Fernando]Thanks for the kind words. Writing about P/L is a privilege and honor and it is folks like you keep me writing. Now, a little personal anecdote: In 1983, I was getting limbered up as a decent dead-lifter and entered the West Coast DL Championships held in San Fransisco. I trained hard, made weight (181) and pulled enough to take 2nd. Those were the days of one fed, and about 10 guys per class, so I was , overall very satisfied, until the following happened: A Northern Cal referee ( I wont name him because it is not my intention to embarrass or belittle anyone, especially after all of these years) told me that he WAS DISQUALIFYING ME FROM THE CONTEST, because I had "failed to check in all of my equipment used on stage". The unchecked piece of "equipment" in question- a 50 cent plain white SWEATBAND that I used to keep the perspiration off my face. A really good judge would have seen the difference between the "Spirit" of the rule- IE preventing someone from sneaking in illegal gear, and this. I tried to make a case because, after all, I didn't check my glasses in or my silver chain I wore around my neck either, but this ( idiot) didn't want to listen. So...I lost a good deal of money as I paid my own expenses, etc and most of all, I felt humiliated by some miserable ref trying to be a tight-ass in a purely amateur sport. Like I said, I won't name his name, because who needs the grief, but I for one will never forget it.
Ron Fernando
To Powerlifting History Past, Present and Future
[/quote]
Incredible! A lot of people might have left the sport after such a disappointment. I recall a meet equipment check in 1981 (Sacramento, California) where they were having a lifter cut off the edges of the soles of his running shoes with a box cutter in order to conform with some goofy rule. That he was competing in running shoes pretty much indicated he was new to competition. In that same meet another new lifter was DQd because of a t-shirt infraction. I think it had a pocket or something. I never saw him come out to lift again. Everyone knows that those pockets, in addition to making the shirt a 2ble ply, add 20 to 30 lbs on a lift. I think now they are just warning the new guys about that stuff, but back then there was no quarter given.[/quote]
I dont mean to be a dick, but this is why there are rules. Follow the rules and then you wont have to worry about bullshit like this. Or, just dont wear headbands.
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Ronald Fernando]Thanks for the kind words. Writing about P/L is a privilege and honor and it is folks like you keep me writing. Now, a little personal anecdote: In 1983, I was getting limbered up as a decent dead-lifter and entered the West Coast DL Championships held in San Fransisco. I trained hard, made weight (181) and pulled enough to take 2nd. Those were the days of one fed, and about 10 guys per class, so I was , overall very satisfied, until the following happened: A Northern Cal referee ( I wont name him because it is not my intention to embarrass or belittle anyone, especially after all of these years) told me that he WAS DISQUALIFYING ME FROM THE CONTEST, because I had "failed to check in all of my equipment used on stage". The unchecked piece of "equipment" in question- a 50 cent plain white SWEATBAND that I used to keep the perspiration off my face. A really good judge would have seen the difference between the "Spirit" of the rule- IE preventing someone from sneaking in illegal gear, and this. I tried to make a case because, after all, I didn't check my glasses in or my silver chain I wore around my neck either, but this ( idiot) didn't want to listen. So...I lost a good deal of money as I paid my own expenses, etc and most of all, I felt humiliated by some miserable ref trying to be a tight-ass in a purely amateur sport. Like I said, I won't name his name, because who needs the grief, but I for one will never forget it.
Ron Fernando
To Powerlifting History Past, Present and Future
[/quote]
Incredible! A lot of people might have left the sport after such a disappointment. I recall a meet equipment check in 1981 (Sacramento, California) where they were having a lifter cut off the edges of the soles of his running shoes with a box cutter in order to conform with some goofy rule. That he was competing in running shoes pretty much indicated he was new to competition. In that same meet another new lifter was DQd because of a t-shirt infraction. I think it had a pocket or something. I never saw him come out to lift again. Everyone knows that those pockets, in addition to making the shirt a 2ble ply, add 20 to 30 lbs on a lift. I think now they are just warning the new guys about that stuff, but back then there was no quarter given.[/quote]
I dont mean to be a dick, but this is why there are rules. Follow the rules and then you wont have to worry about bullshit like this. Or, just dont wear headbands.[/quote]
Essentially you are correct about following rules. Sometimes it's kind of hard to stay abreast of all of them, and new lifters should get a break when we can give one. I think i might haver been just as easy for the ref to say, "Take off the head band." I'd like to think that's what would happen now....
I don't remember how the rule was written, but it was specifically directed at competitive equipment- suits, briefs,wrist wraps, knee wraps, etc etc.It was never directed at "personal items" or it would have said something like" All items including personal items including , but not limited to ...bla bla bla should be checked in. That I would have been OK with. Like I said, referees have some discretion and for this guy to not think past his nose was ridiculous.
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Great attempt definitely
where's the video?
Anonymous wrote:where's the
I would have called him for
Anonymous wrote:I would have
I have definitely seen far
I have watched this clip
Hitching. Nuf said
Definitely reds, but wow
White lights for sure andy
Man tough call, I don't
Could have gone either way
Michael Hart
too close to call could have
In that era, the judges
Ronald Fernando wrote:In
What deadlifting arms Tom
Even after years of
I have seen Tom lift several
Tom, you are a beast. That
Who cares, he was judged how
Hedlesky wrote:Who cares, he
tom eiseman wrote:Hedlesky
I think we are all very
An amazing pull, but it
The fact is it was a good
Ken Ufford wrote:The fact is
wow after a few times i
It looked great to me. But
He is supporting the weight
he knows all, except the
whites all the way! eisman
It is what it is.
I think Tom is a great
Chris Jenkins wrote:I think
I gotta say that was one of
Yes it looks that way, he is
Thanks for the kind words.
Ronald Fernando
Anonymous wrote:Ronald
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous
For the record I believe the
GOOD LIFT!!! Awesome
I don't remember how the
Great deadlift but there is