WPC Worlds Reports

What did cartinian bench?

andy bolton made his 1st and 2nd attempts on squat, got reds on his third... he was very shaky and came up somewhat out of control and racked it before the rack command, his third was 1168.

The judging so far has been perfect. Making everyone everyday take them deep and were they are supposed to be.

Gary Frank got his 2nd attempt squat and Scott Cartwright got his third in.

Jose Garcia got his third in with a super fast 1018. Brian Carrol bombed, Clint Smith bombed and shawn frankl finished with a beautiful 1003.

Al Caslow was sick on the squats, killing them all ending with 843 then he failed to lockout all three attempts at 541. Brian Schwab appeared to just be off on this day, very unstable looking.

Sergey Naleykin was great on squats, barely got his third bench in to stay alive and only hit like 660 or 680 deadlift, and it wasn't easy, he missed 727 twice.

Jason Coker I believe went 3 for 9. Hitting his lifts on third attempts but all his lifts looked very good and solid.

what did Gary frank squat?

Frank had a 1053 squat.

any updates on bolton?

Hearing reports that there were alot of bombouts. Supposedly Russian judges and some American judge(s) were calling squat depth from the head chair - ridiculous.
400+ lifters, if the judging was bad, next year it will be much smaller meet. dissappointing.
Rumor that Gary Frank tore bicep in the bench.
Scot Mendelson benched 1000+ succesfully, missing 1080 on 4th attempt. Opened at 903...

Scott Hoss Cartwright hit 1063 squat and a 661 bench so far.

Donnie Thompson hit 1230 squat and a 910 bench!!!
800 pound pull gives him 2940!!! or 860 would give him 3000!!!

Mark Bell
Owner of Super Training in Sacramento.
www.supertraininggym.com

it would have to be BLATANTLY high to call it from the head chair or you are a JACKASS... no offense to Mark Bell...lol

THAT IS THE SHZIT!!!!!! Mark... update as soon as possible brother... now I'm hyped like a motherf*cker!!!!!!!!!

My training partner goes 3 for 4.

Scot Mendelson made lifts at 985, 1014! and 1025!
He took a fourth at 1080 and missed at lockout.

Congrats, Mendy! You worked harder than I have ever seen you this past training cycle.

Priest

Putt, perhaps you should read what the person said first. Its ridiculous to call depth from the front, even though the WPC rulebook does not differentiate from any referee calling depth. IF you want to claim that the front referee calling depth is ridiculous, then you would be the jackass.

Thanks Putt.
Lets not get in a debate about judging the squat. Anyone with a judges card knows that from front chair you do not call depth unless it is ridiculously high.
Anonymous- read the rule book and take the test.
Then again, you are probably not even a competitor. Just an internet tough guy ?

I'd never be glad to see anyone bomb, it's a shame for those who it happened to, but Schwabs youtube did not do him any justice, if he was squatting to the depth he was in his training, there was never a chance of him getting them squats in, he's wayyy you wide and not flexible enough. hard luck and better luck next time.

Awesome results so far. especially neil deighton benching 300kgs @ 90kgs and still a junior as far as i know!!

I am a referee, are you? You point out in the rulebook where it states about teh head referee and squat depth.

Correction, My training partner goes 3 for 4.

Scot Mendelson made lifts at 903, 1014! and 1025!
He took a fourth at 1080 and missed at lockout.

Congrats, Mendy! You worked harder than I have ever seen you this past training cycle.

Priest

what about andy bolton?

what did andy bench anyone know???

how long til donnie deadlifts?

andy benched 688. He opened at 633, went 672, and got 688 on his third. He had 700 in him easily, all of his lifts were really easy. He pulled 942 and gave 1003 plus chips a ride but couldn't get it past his knees.

any results for delroy mcqueen 242 class afaik

What did donnie get in the deads?

Now those are some huge number on the World stage. Great job Scot. Wish I could have been there. Looks like the FIT EXPO is going to be a VERY AWESOME SUPER SHOW again. I hope Gary is ok. He is a great lifter and person and I hope he heals up quickly. Again, great lifting Scot. I will see you back in Cali in January.

bolton totalled around 2730lb? is that 2nd place to donnie?

I'm don't want to highjack this thread with a response so come to SPF Record Breakers next weekend in TN and talk that jackass sh*t to my face f*cker......

WTF did donnie pull damnit???

donnie pulled 861!!! 3001 LB total BABY!!!

Didd Gary frank tear his bicep?

Oh, my God, that is amazing!!!! Way to go, Donnie!!!! Anyone doubt that he's the strongest guy out there right now?! He just bypassed the 2900's and went from 2850 to 3001 in the total!!!!

3001lb total? HOLY FUCK!!!!!

weird that in over two years andy not only hasnt broken the 1003 but hasnt even been able to dublicate it.[/quote]

do you think maybe hes peaked? i just dont see him improving much these days either?

donnie pulled 7 something, but who knows really, if you know a judge ask them, they would know.

Duplicating a lift that's so far out ahead of what the majority do isn't going to be easy. That he got 942 today is a testament to the man's incredible deadlifting ability.

Oh, really? So the 3001 didn't happen? I damn near pissed myself when I heard he hit 3001. Still, 2900+ is incredible!

I heard 760 for 2905. Big stuff any way you cut it.

Donnie 1235-910-760 2905

how did minuth and carroll do?

Why the low deadlift? He has done 800raw before... Did he miss his 3rd?

Results from OBB team:
Wayne Flesh 16-17 (teen) (117 lbs)Thursday
Squat 325, Bench 159, Pulled 275 =760 Total Took 1st Place

Daniel Tinjero Junior 165 (164 lbs)Thursday
Squat 738, Bench 551, Pulled 639 =1928 Total Took 1st Place and Heavy wt JR Best Lifter

Dutch Flesh Master 220 (40-44)(209 lbs)Friday
Squat 804, Benched 512, Pulled 606 =1922 Took 1st place

Brain Schwab Open 165 (159 lbs)Saturday Unfortunately Disqualified

Kalin Chester Open 165 Bench only Saturday
Bench 573 Took 1st Place & Best Lifter

Joe Jordan is competing today so all I know is he got his 3rd squat 903, bench 621.14, pulled 688.14 waiting for awards info.

Team OBB did very well. Congrats to all!

maybe the "low" deadlift is because of his previous monstrous squat and bench

I have all the respect for Donnie and his lifting and i was only asking a question.

Wow!! Remember when 2400 was thought to be almost impossible?

GO Donnie!!!!!

Putt Houston

Andy and Donnie did not compete in the same competition.

Congrats to all that did well !

I heard Earlier reference to squat judging was commented by many lifters at the meet.
1 side judge gives white, other side judge gives red on depth, head judge gives red on depth. This just doesnt sound right. If it was close enough for side judges to be split, how the hell can the head judge tell from his position if the lifter broke parallel ?
Just a thought, may have upset alot of lifters. May not have the number of lifters next year, to bad because APF/WPC is the best federation HANDS DOWN.

Get outta here.
Holy Shit, that is amazing.

frankl got an 800 bench in

this weekend shows exactly whats wrong with the sport.. the top two SHWs both lifting... but in different meets

i agree its ridiculous that you get bolton to the states on the same weekend and they do diff comps lol does anyone know any of the other winners?

any results for delroy mcqueen 242

Because by the rules of the federation, the head judge is doing his job.

Jose Garcia went 1041-645~830's for 2525.... has anyone heard how the overall WPO stuff went?

SHOW ME an animation / drawing / ANYTHING... in ANY FEDERATION's rule book where they draw the lifter FROM THE FRONT POINT OF VIEW squatting and breaking parrallel telling you exactly where to call it. SHOW ME!!!! I'm from Missouri... SHOW ME MOTHERF*CKERS...SHOW ME! SHOW ME! SHOW ME!

Oh that's right 'cause you can't! It would be physically impossible to draw.

You don't have to have a PhD in physics to know that squat depth is derived from two exact points. If one point (the hip joint) is out of your feild of view AND YOU CAN'T SPACIALLY REFERENCE IT TO ANOTHER POINT (THE TOP SURFACE OF THE KNEE, then how can you scientifically determine a parallel line without determining EXACTLY where the other point is AND EXACTLY where it is in reference to the other point.

Come on students, let's get with the program.

The bible said Jesus walked on water, so since it was written in a book I guess I have to believe it then right.

Let's agree that the rule book should be re-written.

Using anonymous retarded logic, I guess the head judge can call your ass coming off the bench too then and it would be acceptable even if the side judges gave white for it.

Just call what you can see. From the front, you can't see proper depth so leave that to the side judges, just like you let them call for the butt coming off the bench in the bench press.

Putt Houston... out

So Putt must agree with all 'hidden' rules like the ones in the IPF. Just because they are not written into the rule book doesnt mean we cannot make them up as we go along. Right Putt?

Just becuase you are incapable of doing something, lets not hold back others who are capable. There are three referees, they all have the ability to flick a red for anything that does not meet with the rules of performance. Whether YOU like it or not.

and by comparing bench to squat, you are showing that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Tinajero was a 181. Not a 165

prove me wrong then. draw a picture from the front and show me and everyone else on here, in words, and by depiction, how you determined depth.

"Just because they are not written into the rule book doesnt mean we cannot make them up as we go along. Right Putt?"

how is not throwing a red light for something impossible to determine "making sh*t up as I go along?"

"they all have the ability to flick a red for anything that does not meet with the rules of performance."

so by your logic then... the next time you bench I'm going to give you a red light from the head chair because I saw your hips move and determined your butt came off the bench.... see how the f*ck you like it.

might as well say "thanks for the $3,000 you paid to fly and get here, compete, eat and everything else, I just bombed you out. The whole time, the other side judge is looking at you like you're an idiot and just ruined this guys trip for no reason, because from his perfect view from the side, it was below parallel.

...and sign your name if you're going to throw down with me and defend your position, otherwise walk away you anonymous coward.

I know more about powerlifting then you will EVER know.

I was comparing the rules of performance to other areas where I thought even a stupid person would finally understand and establish a connection with. apparently I was wrong.

you have to wear a helmet around sharp objects don't you?

Jeez I thought it was only Gratton that talked garbage, but Putt appears to be taking a leaf out of his book.

OF course a head referee can make a call on something that he sees is wrong.
If the person is obviously high, they get a red.
If the judge cannot tell specifically then the judgement goes for the lifter.

This is the same as any referee.

Hell, the WPO rules went out of their way to say the head referee could judge, but htey put in the term "only if its blatantly obvious", otherwise known as the Mike Miller clause.

There is a major difference between the butt on a bench (that the referee may not beable to see) and the height of the hips at the bottom of the squat (blocked by the lifter), which the referee can see.

But I am sure he thinks the head ref just sits there flicking whites no matter how the depth looks from the front. Next he will challange everyone to measure their johnson and the start talking about how his kids could kick all the otehr kids butts.

it was a bugger to see Caslow bombing, especially after a great buildup and an awsome squat.

maybe this is a misprint:

"the height of the hips at the bottom of the squat (blocked by the lifter), which the referee can see."

if it's blocked by the lifter how can he see it? that's my whole point.

the head referee has many things to look at, so a brigade of continuous white lights wouldn't suggest the only thing he is looking at is squat depth. I know that was meant to be more humorous than serious... the depiction of the head ref flicking white lights all day, because of course he will never judge depth from the front if you take my stance. As a head ref, I'm just not going to call depth unless it's crazy high (5 inches)

we are in total agreement:
"If the person is obviously high, they get a red.
If the judge cannot tell specifically then the judgement goes for the lifter."

...and thanks JC, I'm just not as angry when there is a name behind the post.

i meant the (blocked by the lifter) to do with the bench.

I have called depth from the front, but not as often as i have from the side. The call goes for the lifter most of the time.

To say that the Centre Referee can't judge squat depth is nonsense. Of course it's not as advantageous as a side referee's view, everyone knows that, but that doesn't alter the fact that it's part of his job - that's why we have three referees. Virtually all of the audiense - and usually the video viewing public have a view from the front, and that's never stopped anyone from giving an opinion on squat depth.

Another thing, the Centre Referee can't 'bomb' anyone for depth, it takes two red lights at least, and on three occasions at that.

Bench Press and butt up. The Rules say it's an infringement of the rules, and a cause for failure, for "any change in the elected lifting position or raising of the buttocks....". It doesn't say the butt has to be off the bench. The Centre Referee doesn't have to see daylight between the butt and the bench to fail a lift for raising the buttocks.

If you can't referee all three lifts from the Centre Referee's then don't sit in the chair.

That's why a little visine goes a long in this sport.

Sorry, y'all- but you boys are taking this way too seriously.

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Brian Kline, how did you do?

do you think maybe hes peaked? i just dont see him improving much these days either?