Westside vs BIG Mock Powerlifting Meet

maybe we should look at everything the gyms have, depth wise and so on, benchers and so on, not just a few full power people. Also, BIG doesn't get the publicity that Westside gets in PLUSA and so on, so it is not as easy to get to know their whole roster of lifters. They have some pretty strong people coming up that you haven't heard of because they don't get articles in PLUSA every month, and so on. BIG people do more meets than westside does, but no one knows that they are BIG lifters from the results sections.

Jay Fry

dear jay,
shut the hell up.
thanks,
brad

Let's change it up now.

BIG has to train Westside for 12 weeks and Westside has to train BIG for 12 weeks. Who wins and what happens?

Fought is not and has not ever been at Westside. He has only trained at Lexen Xtreme. I guess Lexen wins!

37 comments and still no roster. Let's get to it please.

fill in the blanks with lifters and a total from the last 12 months:

as long as lifter is a gym member it could be Joe Blow from Kokomo. It don't matter. If he's done a meet and posted a total and he's on the roster uncontested then he wins that weight class just like in real life. Let's keep it real.
...and Cartinian is a BIG member so whatever total he's done apllies for BIG.

BIG / Westside

114. 114.
123. 123.
132. 132.
148. 148.
165. 165.
181. 181.
198. 198.
220. 220.
242. 242.
275. 275.
308. 308.
SHW. SHW.

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Let's do it for benchers too!

i heard jay fry squated 800 last friday

How do we factor in Wenning, Harrington,Vogelpohl and the others who left Westside left than 12 months ago? Do they count or not?

No, if the meet were held November 2008, all the members now are eligible. Their totals from up to 12 months will qualify. I'm sure we can sneak in totals from this weekend at the WPC Worlds if any members are competing full power.

Putt Houston.... now with more Bom Chicka Wahwahhhhhh

benchers aren't powerlifters, their benchers. This is a powerlifting discussion... besides, benchers can't bench half the time, too many bombouts....... LOL

Hahahaha

You ask for a mock meet and then to keep it real, hahahahaha. You simulate video games and keep the stats don't you? Maybe EA sports can make a powerlifting video game and everyone can really have some fun simulating.

Two great gyms with great lifters and amazing coaches.

Didn't BIG come on the scene in 2000? I'd say they've done pretty well against a gym that's been around since the 70's.

this is powerlifting, we go by the total. at the end of the day thats all that matters.

I'VE HAD THE LUXUARY OF MEETING OR COMPETING WITH BOTH TEAMS AND BOTH ARE CLASS ACTS.BEING IN THE SPORT FOR 30+ YRS, YOU LEARN TO PICK AND CHOSE THE ORGS. AND MEETS YOU COMPETE IN AND THIS IS WHY THEY MAY NOT COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.BOTH HAVE WORLD CLASS LIFTERS THAT BUST THEIR BUTTS ON A DAILY BASIS.AS A COACH OF HS. AGE ATHELETES, YOU TAKE YOUR TEAM WHERE YOU ARE TREATED WELL, NOT LIKE CRAP. NOUGH SAID.

their deadlifts suck? really, all of their guys are routinely in the top 5. Their squats are close? all their squats gets passed everywhere, if they need to drop to ass they do, if judging sucks they adjust. All their squatters have almost at one point or another come close to or broken all time records.

So is lexen still going 2 b around, after matt w. Leaves in a few weeks and takes some of the guys with him?

How can Shannon Hartnett be a BIG lifter when she lives in California?

Where is Matt W going?

id be willing to bet the average anon users dong size is under 4 inches.

Bottom line; BIG has NO lifters squatting over 1050. NO 800+ deadlifters.
Compare Frankl and Vogelpohl at 220.
Frankl - 1003, 870, 715 or so
Vogelpohl - 1025-1050, ???, 815

And Vogelpohls numbers are from years ago. The gear is getting better every year, so it's OBVIOUS who takes the 220's.

Grandick squatted over 1050, frankl will too at 198.

6. 2605.0 (1181.6) *9.87X Chuck Vogelpohl (US/65) 4/1/07 (1150.0+635.0+820.0=2605.0 lb. @ 264.0 lb.) (Newark, Ohio) (IPA)

So let me get this str8, he did 2605 at 275 and frankl did 2535 at 220.....same gear hmmm, youre right its obvious who takes the 220s.

yeah, instead youre fucktard from no one gives a shit.

frankl holds the all time total record at 220. by 200+ lbs. more than chuck ever totalled at 220. this is POWERLIFTING, not some sport where only your DL counts.

and BTW chuck is my favorite lifter of all time. he just didnt have as big of a total at 220 as frankl. nuff said. and before you even argue the gear both chuck and frankl squat in double canvas and they both bench in double poly these days and frankl still outbenches chuck (275) by over 200 lbs.

So there is ONE guy that does 1050, and I don't care what Frankl "will do," just what he has done. His 1050 is a "what if" until he does it.

How many guys does Westside have squatting over 1050? Panora, Vogelpohl, Wenning, Smith, etc. etc. etc. etc. lol.

And basically it is what I said before.
Vogelpohl squatted more @ 220, and deadlifted more @ 220. Frankl benches more @ 220. So Chuck has him on 2 of the 3.
Westisde has GREAT squatters, BIG has really good ones. Westisde has great deadlifters, BIG has a FEW pretty good ones. BIG has great benchers, Westside has some really good ones.

Bottom line, people don't give a shit about BIG compared to Westside. BIG hasn't been writing articles for 15 years, or writing books, or changing the ENTIRE world of powerlifting. Powerlifting has evolved BECAUSE of Westside. If you walked up to any powerlifter and asked what they thought of Westside they would say: strongest gym in the world, or something along those lines. It's the Holy Grail of powerlifting. If you asked about BIG, some might not even know wtf ur talkin about, and the ones that do will say yea they are a pretty good gym, and building right now. Not even a comparison.
Westside has produced 60+ elite totals over years and years. AND I ASK ANYONE, HOW MANY HAS BIG PRODUCED? COME ON, MICK "MAN"LY.

apperantly you dont understand powerlifting very well or you cant fucking read. IT DOESNT MATTER IF CHUCK HAS HIM BY 20LBS. ON THE SQUAT AND 100LBS. ON THE DL. FRANKL HAS THE TOTAL BY 200+LBS. END OF STORY. THIS IS POWERLIFTING WE GO BY THE TOTAL. IF YOURE SO CONCERNED WITH THE DL FOLLOW NOTLD OR WABDL DL ONLY COMP. AND LET THE FULL MEET LIFTERS ALONE.

And going by the total doesn't mean best powerlifter. Otherwise they wouldn't have the Top 100 Squatters of All Time, Top Deadlifters, etc. and all the other lifter rankings.
So if you look at it that way, Vogelpohl ranks higher in 2 of the 3 lifts.

I'm still waiting on a roster.... lol

men...women... whoever....well known or a nobody... build a roster and an opposing roster and let's just see.

I thought this would be a simple concept. Write a dude's name down, write another dudes name down, write another dude's name down and next thing you know we have two rosters. We apply their best totals and we have a fake winner.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm WTF

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the two anonymous posters above are either newbies or 1 lift wonders. in a powerlifting comp you win by total, ti doesnt matter if your numbers were 1300/400/500/2200. if thats the best total at the end of the day you won and you are the best POWERLIFTER, maybe not the best bencher or deadlifter, but the best POWERLIFTER. to argue otherwise is total bullshit. and beside that chuck litterally out-squatted frankl by 20 lbs. WOW! 20 fucking lbs.! thats incredible

and putt, its obviously not simple, we must have missed the memo where we dont score powerlifting by the total anymore. its a 2 out of 3 thing now, LOL

heres what ive got.

123- ?
132- ?
148- ?
165- ?
181- cartinian 2235 to ramos 2060 -BIG
198- coker 2265 to harrington 2240 -BIG
220- frankl 2535 to westside ? -BIG
242- BIG ? to panora 2625 -WESTSIDE
275- grandick 2612 to hoff 2510 -BIG
308- ?
SHW- ?

im sure some of you guys follow the other weight classes closer, but those are 100% accurate and confirmed and so far BIG is running away with it.

181-cartinain
198- coker didn't hit 2265 at big so phil but hes not there anynore
220- frankl
242-luke edwards 2200+ or nutter
275- panora 2620
308- bologne
shw-matt smith

got to have grandick in one or the other and since westside doesn't have anyone i'm familiar with @220 you could go with bobby frankl or coker? there and put frankl at 198 over harrington.

181-cartinian-BIG
198-frankl-BIG
220-coker or bobby frankl-BIG
242-panora-WESTSIDE
275-grandick-BIG
308-?
SHW-smith-WESTSIDE

Thanks Zane... now we are getting somwhere...

appreciate it...

Putt Houston.... now with more Bom Chicka Wahwahhhhhh

you're not accurate.
123 - who cares
132 - Doug Heath 1525 vs. BIG = WESTSIDE
148 - both suck
165 - Angelo Berardinelli 1955 vs. BIG?? = WESTSIDE
181 - Michael Cart. 2235 vs. Harrington 2072 = BIG
198 - Frankl 2470 vs. Harrington 2240 = BIG
220 - Frankl 2535 vs. whoever = BIG
242 - Panora 2625 vs. anybody = WESTSIDE
275 - Grandick 2612 vs. Vogelpohl 2605 = BIG
308 - Matt Wenning 2665 vs. BIG??? = WESTSIDE
SHW - Vlad Alhazov 2805 vs. BIG??? = WESTSIDE

BIG runs away with it when you leave out weight classes lol.

So out of the 11 weight classes listed, BIG took 4. Westside took 5.

panora beats grandick at either 242 or 275 so grandick is obsolete and big doesn't have another 242 or 275er that beats luke or nutter

Westside has a lot of other guys who r strong enough 2 total a lot more than what they have done. Jerimiah myers275,should total 2500, shawn nutter242,should have already totaled 2400, zach cole 275, when he was there should have totaled @ least 2500.

i understand that. but should have and did are two different things are they not?

and i didnt think angelo was still at westside...

also was wenning still at westside when he hit that total?

Angelo and wenning were not @ westside when they hit those totals. But, look back @ wennings totals right b4 he came 2 westside then look @ his totals the time he was there. Nothing 2 prove now but interresting. An d your right about could have and should've, but myers and nutter will hit those totals very soon. Does it really matter what gym is the strongest. I think we need 2 worry about the overseas lifters here real soon.

where did Berardinelli come from, BIG or Westside? Or did he just come out from Never-Never Land?
Same with Wenning. Westside product. Not BIG. Not Lexen.

lol... no need to get all offensive bro. i was simply following the guidelines that putt laid down for the topic.

and my lifts are very respectable, except for my DL which is improving after a bulged disk i suffered in Oct.07. still have a top 20 total this year even with the sub-par pull

whats your total? whats your name? and what are you doing at the computer? i already trained tonight, and at least i can follow the rules of a topic. you should probably get used to following rules if you ever plan on doing a meet... of course we probably dont have to worry about that, red lights are the least of your worries when you cant bench or squat your own BW.

have a nice day

If BIG had lifters doing 275, 308, SHW, they would take those, too. Grandick is definitely not obsolete. He is still improving.

PL is not a team sport though many would like to think it so. I never had anyone on the platform with me lifting, I never got to play defense. The cream will rise to the top no matter where they train.
Westside (Lou) has done more for training than any other in our sport by far. I good yard stick is the high number of decent lifters who have made top ten lifts under his system, including those in our club and out. Big I. has a good system too, as is obvious. If people would put more energy into training and training questions they would get more from the inter net than all this kinda silly debate over who is the best, when, where and by how much...

That comment about not a team sport was by me, Gritter. I too do not like anon coments and the one about
"If BIG had lifters doing 275, 308, SHW, they would take those, too. Grandick is definitely not obsolete. He is still improving."

That is not mine, do not know what happened there?

Wenning put 200 lbs on his total after leaving Westside, from 2465 to 2665. Maybe he gets that same improvement if he stays at Westside, or maybe his change in training led to that jump. That doesn't mean that Westside doesn't get a lot of credit for his success. But you can't give Westside all the credit for what their former lifters do in the future, especially someone that left partly because of disagreements over training methods.

LMAO.... he said Doug Heath. This aint a legends of powerlifting mock tournament. Doug hasn't totalled anything in the last 12 months, if not 12 years. He is the sh*t, but come one motherf*ckers, let's keep it current.

trust me bro I know both gyms are the shit and i would be honored to train at either, i simply think BIG has the edge right now. I would love to train at westside also

and i apolagize also, its tough to sift through the anonymous posters and know whos actually a lifter and whos a little puke talking shit. 600 raw is a very respectable squat, my best is 525 in a meet and 550 in the gym both under 220, so yes, youve got me beat. sorry to hear about your disk issue, i know how big of a bitch that can be.

id say the third highest total ever at 242 and the fourth highest total ever at 275 both done in the last couple years definately doesnt make you obsolete...lol

same to you bro. thanks