USPF won't Adopt APC Records

excuse me for my ignorance. I dont understand things too well regarding the APC.

How does that work?

Is the APC going to the GPC kind of like the USAPL going to the IPF?

If so then adopting APC records would be like another record not some that are actually replacing the USPF records that already exhist.

The UPA was a new federation and shouldnt have adopted any.

do not keep records and just let those lifters lift for world team slot and yearly rankings

uspf is a great organization. why would they cheapen the uspf by associating with the apc?

if the apc was going to die, let it. it would have been one last fed.

horrible idea

The APC still exists and is now affiliated to the WUAP.

The USPF formed a new division (in addition to their traditional single ply division) which is modeled after the GPC rules. That division in the USPF is the U.S. affiliate to the GPC.

The APC and USPF have no affiliation.

The USPF division 2 should not adopt the APC records, they are not the APC renamed they are a new fed, Yes they will have the majority of the APC lifters following Packer, but they should forget thte joke that was the APC and start fresh.

The lifters that are following packer are on the list of lifters for the GPC in England. The APC started with a clean slate of records.

Here's another interesting twist of powerlifting fate:

- Ernie brought over all the USPF records when he originally started the APF

- LB Baker took all the APF records over when he (and others) started the APC

- Now the USPF is taking APC Records for their "division 2"

I wonder if, ironically, there are any former USPF records left over from the original carry-over of the records?

The APC started with a clean slate of records. The GPC took the WPC records.

APC definitely didn't take APF records in California. I think keeping the APC state records for California makes sense. It's going to be all the same lifters.

I need to make a correction. Bob Packer and I spoke awhile back about the records and I thought he said he was going to adopt the APC American and State records but I was wrong. He meant to keep only the former APC Calif State records. The D2 USPF-GPC American records will go from a clean slate and will not adopt the APC American records according to Bob Packer.
Sorry for the concern and confusion. My fault.

Steve Denison
www.powerliftingCA.com

That makes lottle sense. adopt all the records or none. I'm sure there are APC lifters from states other then Ca that will come to the USPF...I heard the APC only had 36 lifters at nationals and they only have two meets scheduled before their nationals next year. So why not keep all or none. The majority of the APC will be lifting else where it seems.

Anyway within a couple of years we will have all forgotten the APC ever existed anyway

Quite correct...USPF Division 2 is all new...(sorry for the poetry)... we have no affiliation with the APC....so we have no need for their records. USPF Division 2 lifters will establish their own National Records...and be eligible to set GPC World records in GPC Regional and World Events.

This is just not correct Eric...
The USPF is NOT taking anyones records.

Courtney--When I made my post, this article had said they would.

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Aha!!....The other issue that surfaces when you consider "Other" records Eric is .... that they were not performed utlizing USPF Standards. Good or Bad....Right or Wrong....they are just plain different....so why not begin with a clean slate.

That was the Mandate for the USPF entertaining Multi-ply in the first place....to allow OUR lifters and those that wish to join us....be able to lift with Multi-Ply gear in an evironment that produces "credible" lifting performance.

I think most states will be running clean record slates because most never had an APC presence to start with. The only exception is Calif where Bob Packer would like to keep those old APC Calif State records and adopt them as USPF D2 records.

Steve Denison
www.powerliftingCA.com

I have a question...

The USPF D2 now has an affiliation with the GPC, so their multiply lifters can lift in the GPC World meet and set GPC World records.

Can more than one U.S. federation also be affiliated with the GPC? In other words, can the APF also affiliate with the GPC?

In my July article, this was the scenario that I was trying to set up and could be the future of getting back to true world champions and world record holders. Imagine APF and USPF multiply lifters in a true Senior Nationals vying for a spot on one true U.S. World team.

So now the USPF is non tested multiply in one pocket and tested single ply in the other pocket. The USPF lifters can wear a different hat on different days? Is Dave Jeffery still alive?

Forgetting the records for a minute, what about the rules? For the bench press the USPF has a "start" and a "rack" command (no press). The APC has a "press" and a "rack" command (no start). What will the USPF D2 bench commands be? How do you have a federation with two different bench commands? What is being done to reconcile this?

We already have this dilemma with the WPF....and so far it will continue with the GPC...but not Division 2 USPF....still Start and Rack. We will obviously attempt to unify these commands , but until the voting majority decides thats what they want...the situation remains deadlocked.
The USPF always runs by a voting majority. There are NO unilateral decisions entertained in the USPF.

Both sides are non-tested.
DJ is still alive.

All Division II USPF Meets will be run according toGPC Rules. This means that the Bench Press signals in USPF DivisionII will be "Press" and "Rack". There is no confusion here as the GPC Rules prevail at USPF Division II competitions.

That you Bob...it is simple 2 divisions two sets of rules...they are both "USPF rules" now. The USPF now has 2 sets of rules one for each division.

Looking forward to you continuing to put on quality meets, now under a more respectable fed. You gave the APC a shot and they or he blew it.

Thank you, Bob, for the clarification. I do prefer the "press" command which provides the bencher certainty for their lift.

See you at the next meet.