$5k offered to defeat Brian Siders

I love it! This day in age, his accomplishments are almost unrivaled. I would argue that only Ed Coan and the great Kirk Karwoski stand ahead of him at this point.

I would, however, love to see him go up against the South African dude and Malanichev to see who the supreme top dog is.

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how much does siders get?

Probably a 1 year ban from the IPF for violating some obscure rule.

That's just as silly as asking Siders to come compete two ply. Why not just have another NERB meet so you take away the gear differences and associated learning curves. That would be an even playing field and would give the raw purists a hard on. Well, unless they allow knee wraps...Or a belt...

Darren M. won't be there, he's serving a lifetime ban for posting in here while on super double secret probation and is facing another 6 months after he comes off the lifetime ban for not taking one for the team.

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Or they could go to the other extreme and allow all lifters to use hydrolic jacks under their arms and ass. That would be sure to give the gear guys something to get exicted about.

I actually think this is an excellent idea.

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I would love to see this!!!

That's not funny.

I like the NERB 2 idea since Siders won the last one. Siders is also competing in the worlds strongest man in about a week and it's in his hometown so he'll be well rested up and ready. All the lifters who claim 2700 plus totals won't take this offer even though five gs is a lot of cash. Take away the high squatting, the mega suits, the hospital gown bullet proof shirts and make them pass a test and their 2700 totals become about 20 percent less despite their taking all the free at large nutrition products they can get their hands on.

I think the NERB is the way to go, but this sounds like an entertaining idea if some of the big lifters would actually show up...

If the costs were right I would love to accept this challenge. Brian"s best total is 700 lbs. better than mine, but he might bomb. Other than that no one, not Ed, Kirk or Kaz.

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Sounds like a good idea. I can think of a couple of guys who should go and try to take the money.

it must piss off someone like you that the biggest bench ever done raw was by a geared lifter who trained for 4 weeks to break the all time RAWdawg record?

the biggest dead ever done raw was done by a geared lifter in a geared meet. but done in just a singlet.

biggest total ever done was by a geared lifter.

biggest rawdawg squat ever was done by a geared lifter.

so does it really matter?
stop the bullshit. lifting is still lifting. just because either you cant figure out gear or you like lifting in the 20 feds out there for rawdawgs that you can beat nobody and win a plastic trophy.

Great idea. If someone wants to beat Siders in a Multi-ply fed, they should pony up for a $5k challenge.

they did. he didnt because he would have gotten suspended, again.

yeah it'd have to be a multi ply guy gone IPF, because nobody in the IPF can catch him now. Malanichev consistently hits 2400+, but that's still a long way away from Brian, who can hit a consistent 2500+ and definitely way more. That arno lambrecht (spelling, correct name) can outsquat brian but can't out total him. Vladimir Bondarenko can possibly outsquat and outdeadlift him, but Brian can blow him away on the bench. As far as the big multi-ply names, you'd have to put up more than 5 grand to get them to come, you can bet that, that doesn't really cover nutrition, the trip and travel expenses for the crews that these guys bring with them. On top of that there's the issue of bombing, it happens in all feds, but decidedly moreso in multi, where the learning curve is much steeper. Hopefully single ply gear would fix that, however if you don't lift under IPF conditions then you'd have to get used to that. And honestly let's face it, the drug test thing is fair to siders, but not really anybody else whose in a position to catch him. Some of the chemical compounds that top multi ply guys take require over a year to fully purge them from your body, so in that respect you are effectively limiting the competitors down to IPF guys. That of course is a lose-lose situation, because any multi ply guy who comes and beats Siders will immediately hear people cry "foul play".

I think the only way to go here is a NERB type event, raw, no drug test, with at minimum $7000 in prize money, winner take all, because if you awarded prizes for more than 1st, you'd need at least $12,000 to lure lifters in.

thats an awesome idea! But i dont think there is anyone on the planet who can out lift brian siders in single ply gear under ipf standards!

Where do you see that they are asking Siders to lift multi-ply? From what I understand the contest would be performed under IPF rules.

I'm saying that the only people who could take on Brian under any conditions don't currently compete in the IPF. This fact brings along a whole set of problems. That's what I'm saying.

I'd like to see the competition done raw. Still IPF is fine, they ahve a raw division in the US. That way it would attract the raw lifters too.

Might be fun to see, I really like the open challenge idea.

Also love that it is tested.

Powerlifting needs stuff like this.

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/2014
Raw, pound for pound, Celli beat Siders in 06 at the NERB.

why are you comparing a 90k guy to a super heavy?

YES, but can Malanichev CONSISTENTLY break 2500? Siders can with his eyes closed, and has been doing so since about 2005. Malanichev didn't at his latest competition.

That's what little people do! If I'm stuck under a car I want the strongest guy to lift it off me - not the strongest pound for pound! It means nothing.

i can name lots of 123 pounders, 132 pounders, 148 pounders, 165 pounders, 181 pounders, 198 pounders that can all beat him pound for pound.
so choosing one guy doesnt prove anything.

i can see choosing another heavy person.

Is Zydrunas Savickas one of the people you have in mind?

Once again, another anonymous misses the point. I too, know lots of light and middle weights, that "pound for pound" are stronger. Just as in boxing, Roy Jones Jr. was once considered, pound for pound, the best in boxing.

Re-read my WHOLE post and reply to lol's posting. I was commenting on him/her/it's asking why a comparison was made between Siders and a 90Kg lifter.

My EXACT point, that you clearly missed, was and still is, that you can compare apples to oranges, Paris Hilton to Vanessa Williams(my favorite) and a 90 kg lifter to a 125kg or more lifter or anyone else for that matter, only if you preface it by saying "pound for pound".

I will put up $5000 if Siders will lift in a non drug tested multi-ply meet and put up the biggest total. He can take any cocktail of his choice and bring all the gear he wants. I train with 2 308s that recently broke the all-time total record and a guy named Vogelpohl and they would all stomp a mudhole in his ass. I'm sick of hearing about this USPF shit and Siders being the strongest powerlifter on the planet is a joke. Siders is strong and no disrespect to him but Will Morris needs to shut his mouth.

The venue is already set. Iron House Classic in April 2009. If you are interested Will let me know and I will make sure I get you a room reserved and give you directions to the meet.

biggest rawdawg squat ever was done by a geared lifter.

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when did Don Reinhoudt wear gear?

Bold prediction: a lot of shit talking will continue to insue but nobody will take on Siders for 5k in single-ply, and Siders will not lift multi-ply.

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Ironhousez,
The guys you speak of are crazy strong no doubt, but kick Brian around I doubt. As for any APF or IPA lifter coming to the USAPL and beating it's best lifter, highly unlikely because without ample time to get conditioned to the rules and gear and the biggest difference weigh in time, there is no chance. And the same goes for Brian going there. He would need plenty of time to prepare to handle the 1200# squats and 900# benches that the multi ply guys do. It's just different. It won't happen either way so debating it is silly! Slade

Siders can actually be beaten.
I saw him raw squatting and (speaking of great champions) he was not so impressive. Many olimpic lifter same class are better squatter than him. The same for deadlift. Ib Bench press he is a god.
But he is a very complete lifter, and NO, in USA no one can even think of beating him.
Not so sure for Malanichev and Bondarenko in best condition, everyone better in squat and deadlift. But Siders bench press is amazing.
I could put other 5000 with no fear.

It'd be interesting to see Zydrunas Savickas or possibly a guy out of left field like Marc Henry lift against Siders.

Hands down Siders would come out on top against the best lifters in any other federations under the uspf rules.

If Brian took the time to train under these conditions he would work all three of these guys. Brian did 2600 in December '07, these guys just did 2665 and 2670 under those conditions? I'm not even sure Brian would even need the time to make the changes. I would love to see it.

I do agree the only guy that could possibly give Brian a run is Zsydrunas.

How much money would it take to get multi-ply lifters to lift raw/single ply or to have raw/single to go multi ply?

Would a $10k top prize get lifters to change? Would it take $20k or would the best lifters in their area still not be willing to change?

Vogelpohl has only totaled 4lbs more than Siders, and the other two around 70 more. Never mind the drug issue, equipment, and judging. Siders wouldn't even have to train in the gear, he could just stay in single-ply and probably exceed those totals given the judging, no walking out, etc.

ado gruzza said

if you saw him squatting at the NERB contest in 2006 I guess you don't know he did that meet a week after competing in a USAPL comp as well as training a raw squat 5 days earlier so obviously if he was rested more he would have been able to do a lot more

money is safe for sure, how bout someone offer him $5000 to win a double ply???

Chuck can hardly out total brian under IPA conditions, what makes you think he will achieve it under USPF style conditions?

As for the other two... Remember the ex-winner of the WPO, who sank a 1200 squat and 2800 total, and under USAPL conditions totals 2300 or so

Sorry to tell you this but Marc Henry has the highest raw squat and he never wore gear.