1. yes
2. yes
3. Definately
4. Knee Sleeves, Belt, Wrist Wraps

1.yes
2.yes
3.yes
4.belt, wrist & knee wraps!

I think knee wraps are good to insure safty of joint and tendons!
You could limit them to two meter if you wanted.
I would also have the raw division walking the weight out!

Why is Mr. Patterson calling it RAW-CAPS-with-"quotes" throughout the cited post rather than just, y'know, raw? Am I missing something? No offense here-- I'm not trying to be picky about grammar. It's just with all the confusion about raw, RAW, 100% RAW, etc., I am not comfortable guessing what he means.

Wonderful idea. Do it!!

good move

Yeah, that's it, just add a suit and there you go.
How is wrist wraps, knee wraps and belt raw.

When Multi-ply federations wanted a better venue to compete, the folks at the UPA stepped up and made a new federation, dumped a lot of money, time and effort into it, and are constantly trying to make the Multi-ply scene better for all of us.

If the RAW lifters want the same venue, let them make their own. If it doesn't take off, that's not our problem.

Keep your knee-sleeves and let go of the coat tails of suited lifting!

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. Wrist straps, knee wraps, belt.

Knee wraps give you some help, but I would express that the belt adds more to the squat lift. If you are trying to take away the biggest contributers to the lifts, take away the belt. The rest are insignificant in my opinion.

Yes to raw in the upa
yes to raw state and national records
yes to raw upa nationals

raw lifting allows the federation to grow by encouraging "newbie's" to compete in a MEET without having to purchase gear and spend months learning how to use it.

raw = no briefs, no squat suit. wear a belt, wear 2.5M knee wraps.

UPA is a multi ply fed and possibly could be the best multi ply fed in existence. Why copy what the APF is doing by following there lead creating a raw division. Why bring raw lifting into an equiped world.

Why not? Every fed should have it.

How is that copying the APF? The UPA is just putting up a survey to see what the lifters want. The APF should take a page from the UPA by putting up surveys. Oh that's right, they have a board that makes those decisions for the lifters.

The apf followed the lead of the APA's president Scott Taylor who brought RAW lifting back to the APA last year. The APA is also a multiply fed.

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. belt only, and no monolift

you gotta be kidding me with the above statement that a belt gives your more carryover than knee wraps. (shakes his head in disbelief)

maybe you get more out of a belt if your getting wrapped up by your grandmother before a big squat.

If the knee wraps helped so much, why don't lifters like Matt K and Jeremy F wear them?

I would belt up any day over knee wraps.

all i know is i can get around 40 to 50 pounds out of wraps and about 10-15 pounds with a belt

No excuses! Just lift it!

Troy, the APF has had raw divisions since 2006. It was voted in at the 2006 General Session at WPC World's in NY. It has recently (Febuary) re-defined the the APF raw rules to belt only and started raw records.

As far knee wraps I get, I'd say; 75 to 100 lbs. out of them. With my 'old' back I won't squat without a belt so I don't know just what I get over squatting without it. I'd say if it's called raw it should not include wraps (although I'd prefer using them). I like the use of the term that Jon Grove coined "Classic" and use belts and Wraps and have it as the most 'lightly' equipped category with it's own records. Just my 2 cents.

Really? Was this a secret? The state chairmen and lifters were not informed of this. Did any APF State Chairman in 06 or 07 have a raw division in there meet?

No excuses! Just lift it!

Yes, we had Raw at the APF Alabama 07,08 and also the APF Tn. in 07 and the APF Georgia 07,08. It was discussed quite a bit at the APF/WPC forum after being voted on in 06. I'm not sure if other APF meets had raw or not. Before Febuary of this year wrist wraps were allowed. Now it's just belts.

it should have supportive gear that doesn't give an elastic rebound.

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. Belt, wrist wraps, knee SLEEVES that are loose enough to stick a finger under them

Anyone who is arguing that Knee WRAPS give less than a belt is in denial about his actual squat numbers.

Jesus man who cares who had it first as long as they have it.there's no pleaseing some people you ask for raw you get raw then you bitch that it's not raw enough.

Also for all you guys what is the problem with having raw attached to a multi-ply fed?
The bar still gets loaded the same way.I think what's really going on here is the thought that some how the raw lifters will change the basic foundation and attitude of the fed.I can see that as a possible problem and that should be addressed early not late.

Just my thoughts.

Nothing wrong with adding raw division.

Technically speaking, in an ideal world there would be one federation, with every division.

Tested
Untested
Raw
Single-ply
Multi-ply
Teens
Open
Master
Mens
Women

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No excuses! Just lift it!

I agree with Big Daddy. Why not raw and multi-ply in the same fed?

Once again the UPA is seeking to make things better for the lifter and give them what they want. They're always surveying which is exactly how you find out what your "customers" want.

Hmmmm lets see....to make more money and grow the fed.