The Terry Tucker & the Hogs were not expelled! They walked way or resigned first!

How soon we forget their post on Goheavy about resigning from NASA or being your ex-lifter!
http://goheavy.com/forums/debate/index.cgi/read/143975

The Hogs got banned because they violated the rules of conduct about attacking the Pro Powersports meet. All lifters knew about the rule and it was posted on the NASA forums almost a year ago!

As far as the drug testing, no drug testing took place because extensive testing was administered to potential Pro Meet lifters over the past 18 months and a big emphasis was put on the last 12 months. Coefficients were monitored along with drug tests up to meet time:

Here are a summary of the top lifters:

4 of top 5 curlers were tested within time frame.

5 of top 6 benchers were tested within time frame.

9 of top 12 deadlifters were tested within time frame.

8 of top 10 full meet lifters were tested within time frame.

9 of top 10 lifters placed pound for pound were tested within time frame.

4 of top 6 total weight lifted were tested within time frame.

All of the lifters coefficients were monitored during the meet and no variances were detected in coefficients. We have always used the coefficients as a barometer for additional testing. NASA isn't the only federation that uses this same method.

Again, the fact is that all lifters knew about the drug testing method during the Pro Powersports rules meeting.

Think about this, why would you be mad over drug testing, when you walked away with more than $7000 in cold cash? Their is more here than meets the eyes?

I know several lifters/Anonymous will post negative attacks, but it won't change the facts! Also, NASA keeps growing with new members each weekend and it's the 2nd largest drug-tested fed in the USA.

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J.T., woohoo for Nasa; now can we just go back to our regularly scheduled broadcasting as this has gotten way past old.

Jon
If you was going to copy and paste this from
www.fortified-iron.com why didn't you just copy it the way I had it. it wasn't put on the board to keep stiring thins up, it was put up because we are glad to have them going over to the SPF. We don't care what happened with the other fed. and neither does anyone else. We just what them to come and lift and have some fun.

J.T.,
Why can't you let it go? everybody else has moved on....Nobody has said a word in weeks...Your post also has me confused, for example, you write:
Terry Tucker & the Hogs were not expelled! They walked away or resigned first!

then in your second paragraph you write that they got bannned????
The Hogs got banned because they violated the rules of conduct about attacking the Pro Powersports meet.

Which is it? did they resign first or did they get banned?? It can't be both...
I don't know what it is, but this is such a personal issue for you, that you have not been able to let it go. Anytime someone mentions NASA and this situation, you can't let it go, but always have to throw in your two cents..Yet in your posts you tell everybody else to let it go and focus on their lifting and competition...What's good for the goose is good for the gander...Nobody else is brewing over this except you....Can't you let Terry and the Hogs have their one day in the sun without you putting your slant on it????

We have all moved on J.T., it's time for you to do the same...I'm glad NASA is growing and I still have a lot of friends over there that I wish the best. I wouldn't want to see it collapse on them. It just baffles me why you can't let this go...

Good luck Top Hogs!!

Hey JT, how's that Pro Powerlifting meet coming along? Poor Mike has to come out and beg lifters to enter.

If you wanna know why NASA draws new lifters, just Google, "P.T. Barnum quotes", LOL.

So, is it:

1. "I sure am glad to see those Top Hog troublemakers gone for good. They never were much good for anything."

or

2. "I wonder why those guys up and left? What did we ever do to them?"

I hear what you're saying Jesse, but this news item IS connected to what happened before. On the SPF forum, it can posted the way YOU like. I'm sure from here on out, the Top Hogs won't be referred to as, "ex-NASA lifters", or "NASA refugees", etc. They'll be, "Top Hogs, from the SPF". I'm happy you took them in.

J.T.,
You can do whatever you want to, it's a free country, but I see on your post where you are wanting to compete against the Hogs at the SPF world's...I know we have been through this before, but you are a bench press specialist only. To compete against the Hogs in the SPF you need to deadlift and probably squat...It's an overall total strength competition, not bench press only. If you call a person out at a competition and say let's compete, but you only do one out of the three lifts no comparison can be made. It's like doing the 100 yard dash, and you stop at the thirty yard mark, and say, "I win", but the other person has to run to the 100 yard mark...You are probably going to take this as a negative post, but I'm trying to get you to see what you are doing here...You did the same thing during NASA's pro power sports, calling people out, but you didn't do all the lifts...Honestly, you would have to come to this meet with a deadlift and squat for people to take you seriously. Cyrus tried to do the same thing, but when I told him this, he at least did all the lifts at the Pro meet...There was an understanding there. If for some reason you cannot squat or deadlift (there may be varying reasons) then don't say you are going to compete against the overall strength lifters.. It doesn't make sense.

JimRay
Just hoping all the crap from before wouldn't flare up again, people are tired of it. But you are right, probably no matter how you worded it the same old ones would jump on it.
I have had several conversations with Terry and we are glad that they picked us. As you know lifters can go any where they want to, and there are plenty of places out there to go, they seem like a great bunch of lifters and we can't wait to see them get it on.
Jesse

Terry Tucker,
I love the "Blair Witch" powerlifting camera angle feel of this video. That was tight.

SPF Top Hogs .... Ya'all better recognize!

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Great post Roger!

I only made a post to state the facts about the "expelling" & "drug testing"

The stirring up is caused by certain lifters that have already posted!

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wow the hammer has fell on Rich Peters.....

Gee, it must be nice to be so perfect that you never do anything wrong...J.T., you knew what your post was going to do...It's like lighting somebody's house on fire, and when the neighbors come out to see what's up, you, shrink into the background and blame the fire on them...Nobody's said anything for weeks but you, and by the way, you are the won that said we should focus on the lifting and competition, not this...

Jesse, it's been over for weeks, but somebody has to always chime in, and it stirs up old feelings again. This same person knows what he's doing, but sidesteps and blames everybody else for stirring it up again..Yet in previous posts he tells everybody involved to move on with their lives and focus on their lifting and competition. I'm sure if he ceased his posts, many would heal and move on...That may be difficult as he has a penchant for stirring up strife and then hiding behind it. The guy loves drama.

Tony
Oh I knew all along that when it finally came out
where the Top Hogs where going some would start up again. No problem though, now everyone interested knows.

We have a great bunch of lifters here at the SPF that can lift some serious weight and have fun doing it.
That's what we are all about, getting on platform and turning it on. That's what's going to happen June 7th too. Jesse

Goddamn, what the hell was he saying in the video? I mean what kind of language was that?

Leaving NUTSA was a good thing , now work on speaking classes or something?

It was hard enough trying to figure out what ebonics JT was saying.

late

I didn't get this from FI. Even if I had, I believe the background story is a central part of this article Jesse and would need to be included.

well all i have to say is welcome to the S.P.F hope to see you and ur team at nationals june 7th

Only The Strong Survive!!!!!!!!

Great Message TopHog! Doesn't matter to me where you came from, just where you're headed. I know you have the drive & determination to do great things and the guts to say it. It's cool you took time to say thanks to those who've helped you along the way. (We understand you down here in the south ) It's great to have you come lift in the SPF! Looking forward to seeing you and all the TopHog BMFers at Nationals along with the host of other great lifters headed this way!

~Train Heavy~

Let's get this straight, JT. The rules of conduct have to be followed since they were posted for a year, but the drug testing can be changed the day of the meet despite being posted for a year?

Why Tim, that's what you call the southern draw, you're from Texas aren't ya'..

Tone

I guess so but fuck dude it sound more like gibberish than speaking english?

Just because you from a certain area, does not mean you have to speak a foreign languish ?

WOW, I hope I never get lost driving in dem der parts ands needs directions to saftey!

late

If Tucker isnt a good lifter why did NASA vote him powersport lifter of the year twice. He was great with NASA and now he is a crappy lifter? Explain that one.

As to J.T it sounds like you guys have figured that man out completly. He will talk crap and cut your throat and then claim to be joking. Ive seen and read it for a long time. He also made a habit of challenging the Top Hogs and then never showing up for a competition. On that rare occasion when he did show up, about 4 weeks out from the meet he spoke up and claimed he was a bench speciliast. One trick poney. Nothing wrong with that but dont challenge a powerlifting team if you dont do 3 lift meets. Its stupid. He never brought a team against us but sure as hell talked like he would. Never happened.

As far as my man Tucker, give him a break about his accent. He is talking harkey valley, yell county, dardanelle arkansas speak. SPF we couldn't be happier. APT and BMF we are proud to be associated with you! We will not disappoint. Thats a promise.

Jeff, you pretty much summed up what I have been discouraged about, and that is J.T. calling people out, but only doing one lift. You guys train all three lifts...Sure, a person can do what he wants in this sports and do only one lift (no disrespect), but don't call people out when your sport requires that you do all three of the lifts...You can't compare the two types of lifters, and true deadlifters and squatters know this fact...I think lifters, at times, don't want to call JT on this because he is very good at bench press, but there are two other lifts in the game. If he takes these things to heart, he could be a better lifter.

I also get frustrated when I'm told by J.T. to move on with my life and let this go, but when a positive post comes out about the Hogs, he's the first one to stir up a S*** storm...It's like "Do what I say, not what I do"

Jeff, or Jesse, does the SPF do any meets in Texas? Thanks for a response.

Tony we haven't got started in Texas yet, but I sure do want to. All it will take is getting some people out there interested and a place to do the meets and we will be there fast. I will come myself, I have always wanted to do meets in Texas and in Ark. I thought we were going to get it started this year, but didn't happen. We will go any where there is lifters that want to do meets, just like any other federation. Jesse

Jeff
We are glad you guys chose the SPF, as you know, you could have went any where you wanted, and still can.
Can't wait to meet everyone at the nationals, and we will do some lifting. You will meet a lot of good
people and have some fun that is for sure. Jesse

J.T. HALL if you have anything to say about me or the TOP HOGS you can call me and we will talk about like men my home phone number is 1(479)229-1050 or my cell number is 1(479)970-9855 or you can e-mail me at trtuck1969@yahoo.

Okay Tucker and others.

I have read this and would like to know why you have a problem with what JT said.
The Top Hogs have left a federation which drug tests to go to a federation with NO testing.
Yet if I remember reading correctly you are mad at the other federation you used to compete in because they did not test someone you wanted them to test.
But now you are going to a federation with absolutely NO TESTING!
That kind of negates any argument/discussion after putting the whole issue together.

Just an observation.

I have read these posts and it looks JT was correcting a misprint by PLW.
Also, if I am reading it correctly the NASA federation did a lot of testing prior to the Pro Powersports meet.
I also recall posts about NASA testing prior to the meet so they could give out cash.

I hope you enjoy your new federation.

Another observation:
I founded this link http://www.nasa-sports.com/Results/Top.Hog.Story.htm

The article quotes a Hog member "SPF is a well known federation that conducts drug testing because it's trying to build a good reputation with weightlifting enthusiast" I know for a fact that SPF is a non tested federation. Why would would the Hogs do an interview with a newspaper and lie about drug testing that doesn't occur in SPF? The Hogs biggest arguement is that a certain federation didn't do no drug testing. Now, you have the Hogs leaving a federation that did drug testing and are going to a federation that does no drug testing. You can't complain about drug testing when you failed a test in that certain federation! A Hog member talked about his "false positive" You can't have a false positive for taking an illegal prohormone.

Just my 2 cents!

Don,
I have no problem with J.T. correcting it, but look at the post..The first thing he says is "the Hogs resigned", then he said, "They got banned"...Well, which is it??? If you are going to correct a statement, get the facts right..I don't think he even knows what happened? He can't decide between the two...

He's also swaying people from the fact, that on the web page of Pro Power Sports, NASA said that they were going to test on the day of the meet and not release the cash until the drug tests came in...It's funny how people try to shift the blame, bend the truth, or throw out a distraction that keeps people focused on the distraction instead of the truth...I've never heard J.T. address the web page and what they said they were going to do...You can't get around the truth that they said they were going to test and they didn't. Quite frankly, what happened before or after is distractions that lead people away from this simple truth. I'm not sure what the SPF stance is on drug testing, but it doesn't really matter..Don, inadvertently, you are shifting blame on the Hogs and Terry, when NASA is the one who said they would test, and they didn't..

Another thing, Don, is J.T. operates under a paradigm called, "Do as I say, not as I do". In other words, he's been telling everybody to let this thing go, to move on with our lives and focus on competition..That's reasonable....So most of us did, and then the first post that comes out thats positive about Terry and the Hogs (two weeks later), he's putting his slant and interpretations into it...The guy tells us to move on, but he's not moving on???? If you look at J.T.'s short history, it's always like that...As soon as he found out that Terry was questioning the drug test at NASA, J.T. went into attack mode, stating that Terry got angry because he got beat (He didn't get beat), J.T. was assaulting his character pretty good (basically just following in Rich's footsteps). It's funny, after he blasted Terry, he started vociferating to everyone that they had to be good sportsmen, and for us not to posture unsportsmanlike conduct...After, he blasted Terry and the Hogs....Ironic isn't it...J.T. is somebody that epitomizes whats wrong with our country.. Too many talkers, and not enough doers...I've learned with J.T. that he's going to expect everybody else to play by the rules, but himself...The guy has actually got a gift for bench pressing, and it's sad...

You may want to go to the source first and ask them about drug testing before assumptions are made.

http://www.nasa-sports.com/Results/Top.Hog.Story.htm

I'm not sure why NASA has it posted on their web site, but it's a great story, and only elevates my respect for the Hogs...I remember in one of the forums in NASA, someone tried to dig up some dirt on me, but the story actually inspired people...It had the opposite effect intended...You gotta laugh...

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Tony,

You are spouting off all this info you supposidly have knowledge of, yet you were not a pro were you? Where are copies of these so called facts to keep spouting off about? Since you are so factual why not show us a copy of the official entry form that Tucker signed? What did it say on it?

Check Go Heavy son. Jeff Phillips resigned the entire Hog Team to start this fiasco. Since someone who resigned may also at some point reapply, there is a big difference. Some think you should know this as smart as you believe you are.

There have been lifters banned from their forum but I haven't read anything where anyone has been banned from the meets. Perhaps you can supply us with copies of these notices. Also, I have noticed that all of their records are the same, unchanged.

Again, this group resigned per their coaches announcementon Go Heavy. Please do some research.

Well, we're on Page 2 now, so as long as anonymous NASA cowards (redundant, I know) continue to post garbage, it will be rebutted.

The fact will always be, after ALL Terry and the Hogs have done for NASA, they were treated like absolute dirt by Rich and Job. Same as Tony.

As long as one just lifts, keep your head down and mouth shut, you can go along to get along in NASA. Speak up and you're be publicly excoriated by the, 'true believers' and added to a lengthy list of, 'infidels'.

If you wanna shut up, we'll leave you alone. (Sorry, Jesse)

Hey Jim,
I resemble that remark. It appears that you , tim , tuck and I have achieved infamy with the NASA noodles.

great post j.t. thanks

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JimRay
No problem, I knew it would all come up again and it has nothing to do with us nor me personally. I couldn't care less what happened in another federation, none of my business. As I said before I am personally glad that Terry and the Top Hogs chose the SPF, I have had and continue to have conversations with Terry and I can't wait to turn them loose on the platform.

One more thing I thought they were banned from posting stuff on other forum boards even this one,
by there federation. So why is it ok all of a sudden to keep bashing the Top Hogs. Who is really behind it? Looks bad on there part, but that is just my opinon.

Top Hogs train hard because we are going to see what ya got in Gatlinburg.

Go get em JimRay. LOL Jesse

Trailor Park Mofia, we got a new team going on board as you can see, I believe you going to like these boys, they want to come and have some fun in Gatlinburg. Only thing is they don't wear ski mask
like you guys, lol.

Jesse, damn I love that name, the same people that ban the underlings are the ones posting. Rich's famous last words, "you can't prove that it is me." Grow up and grow a set Rich and go forward!

Jesse Israel
You think they would leave them alone, they done said that they can't lift and they don't want them anyway so why keep on.

I think JimRay is getting ready to call down the thunder, lol.

Jim Ray is the thunder!!!!!

You're right - now excuse me while I go to the men's room!!

Ok...that is funny right there...I don't care who you are but that there is funny...

(it's only for grins)

I don't think I'm smart...The fact that I'm dealing with you characters prove that, and it
would behoove me to move on with more important things; however you want facts/documentation.

You are a critical thinker, and I respect that. Let's take a look at fact number one.

1.The most important fact here is what NASA promised to do, and this comes straight from their

Pro Power Sports Web page 2008. This is an html document (web page)

"All lifters that are tested will not receive their Awards until the results of testing are

complete. Top Lifters in each division of the meet WILL absolutely be tested according to NASA

Standards."

Notice the capital letters and the word "WILL". They WILL test, it was punctuated. What is the

common layman supposed to expect when they read that...There is no ambiguity here...They said

they would do it, and they did not fulfill their obligations. I don't need to peruse Tucker's

entry form to see what was already promised on the web page to all who would/did enter...I

could stop right here and that would be enough for most folks, but you want more proof..

2. you addressed that Jeff Phillips resigned all the Hogs..If you go back into the NASA

private forum, I can't get in there (I'm banned), you will find that indeed Terry got banned, and the rest of them were banned as well, or made to think they were banned, by statements such as Peter's quote "I plan to totally ignore these people and never respond to them. I have spoken and the hammer will fall sometime today or tomorrow. Justice will be swift and just." (another html document). If you notice in J.T.'s post at the very top he vacillates between the Hog's resigning and them being banned for unsportsmenlike conduct on top...If a president of a federation states that he plans to ignore me and never respond to me, and that the hammer will fall, I can pretty much gather that I am banned from that organization. Actually, if you read the posts, Terry was the first person to question the organization, and thereafter was put through a veritable hell and banned from ever doing meets due to unsportsmanlike conduct. Rich also stated in his private forum that he would pull stakes from Arkansas and never do meets there ever again. And then, AFTER ALL THE FORMER, Jeff resigned posturing a rare form of integrity. It's not all about the money guys! By the way, if you read that post, Jeff resigned only, not the whole HOG team...They chose to follow thereafter due to their loyalties to each other. You are lumping it all on Jeff and that he was responsible for their resignation...They each followed out of their own free will.. Read the post, He said, "I have resigned" They just followed. He didn't push them. http://goheavy.com/forums/debate/index.cgi/noframes/read/143975

3. The records issue: Rich was threatening to strip the records from everybody. It did not

happen and I even posted this. He did; however, strip some people of their rankings. Here is my

quote on powerlifting watch about that. Another html document

(http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/7906)

"I think some lifters got confused because there WAS a post by Rich Peters that stated we would

get our records stripped as well...It is true that they have not been stripped yet, but we were

expecting that to happen because he stated it...At this time, he may have changed his mind, or

he might still strip them...It is yet to know what the future will tell..."

As you can read from my post I did not say anything about records being stripped; I said "only

the future will tell" "But Rich was stating that he would strip them from his posts on the private forum when I still had access...

Also, after the former quote of Peters that he plans to ignore them and never respond to them

and that justice will be swift, and that the hammer will fall, do you truly think the Hog's

have a standing invitation to come back and lift in NASA???? Just because an official document

was not procreated doesn't mean that the president of the federation did not speak his mind

and we heard...Really, you should have seen some of the cruel and unprofessional comments that

were touted towards Terry..Ironically, a former lifter of the year...

I feel I have given you sufficient proof and documentation. What more do you want, a notary public??? I understand most of it was web page documents, but it gives you a sense of the story. I feel I'm being fair. I don't hide under troll names or anonymity, nor would I do you the disrespect of calling you SON...I think you truly got into this halfway, and did not trail the evidence to the beginning. Truly, evidence/statement number one is enough for most people...It's funny how people can mouth off and be disrespectful, but they don't give their real name...

Tony,
it is just Rich; don't let him bait you....

It was asked why the Hogs would leave a drug free organization for a non tested organazation?
I would contend that NASA is only selectively drug free. Why I left NASA was only partly because of the lack of drug testing and broken promises about drug testing. The paranoia of NASA was amazing to watch. The excuses as to why some weren't tested and the absolute lies about votes that were supposedly taken at the meet.

Why were only the benchers put on the cover of powerlifting usa. I thought it was curl, bench, and deadlift meet. Why only bench: REASONS:
Mostly top hogs finished in the money and 4 of the top five were top hogs. Black Eye to Rich.

They screwed up the results big time and didn't even get the real winner right! He was classy enough to not make a big deal about it and save NASA the embarassment and in turn they banned him. Now they got Rich on the cover. You cant make this styff up!

Get over it and grow up.

It's truly sad, that only the benchers were mentioned in PL USA (if that's true)...This event involves deadlifts, curls, and bench press...It's an overall strength exhibition, not merely an upper body exhibition. The deadlift is one of the best measures of overall strength. I wonder why somebody is allowed to compete in a powersports meet only doing one lift? Why are they not demanded to do all three, and if they want to bench and curl, go to a fed that does bench only meets, or curl only meets...There's probably not much latitude in what I'm saying, but it helps with strength comparisons...J.T. only does the bench press (he's good at it), but he tries to make comparisons with the people who do all three lifts...He's comparing himself to Mt. Everest, when he's only climbed the Ft. Davis Hills.

I had heard through the grapevine that some of the members of HKA had bad backs or injured their backs...That's understandable, injuries happen in this sport and it keeps you from squatting or deadlifting...All I'm saying is if you can't compete in all three lifts, don't call out the three lift lifters...Comparisons cannot be made..If you can only bench, it's probably wiser to call out a bench only guy for competition. You don't tell somebody, "I'm going to compete against you and whoop you" and not squat and deadlift with them side by side...This was happening; however.

JT Hall is responsible for the article being in the mag, maybe that's why they put a picture of the bench press on the front cover. Makes sense to me.

You're talking to James Hall, right? (LOL)

Tony, I see you've awakened NASA Troll Nation (again, redundant, I know).

Let the argumement about monitoring coefficients as NASA's barometer for drug testing at the Pro Powersports go. I recall a lifter that supposedly had a coefficient above a 7.1 whose previous high was in the 6.6's. This mistake was found after the meet once everyone was gone. Drop the drug testing policy issue. Drug testing was not administered for the top lifters as was stated on the NASA forum leading up to the meet. Admit the mistake and fix it. Drop the issue, improve the drug testing!