This is not an additional APF second single ply competition. Pertinent to single ply APF competitions, the division will continue to be specific to the annual APF High School Nationals only.

Respectfully submitted,
mike mcdaniel
apf12766/wpc441

Mike,

The reason I wrote it this way is that for all intents and purposes most consider the APF and WPC the same organization.

Jon, this would be the same as saying that if Russia does something, this would effect USAPL. Because they share similar parent organizations does not make them the same organization.

Please change the title to reflect the the British organization, and no others.

I disagree with your analogy. The USAPL is not interwined with the IPF in anywhere near the same way as the APF is with the WPC.

I stand by my statement that "most" are of the opinion that the WPC and APF are essentially the same organization. That opinion may or may not be a fair one, but I believe it is the prevailing one.

I have changed the title of the article.

Jon, where do you come up with this stuff? The WPC is the international arm of the APF just as the IPF is the international arm of the USAPL. This is your opinion and not the opinion of "most". How long have you been around this sport?

As for one being less involved than the other you're kidding right? The IPF dictates to the letter what happens with rules and meets and the USAPL follows that without exception.

The WPC guides the rules for themselves but the APF may not always follow those rules.

Your analogy is completely flawed and is only your opinion. The BPC has just as much to do with the APF as NASA has to do with the SPF. It makes no sense. Stay Strong, J.R. Bolger

We all know you can get just as much out of single ply as double or triple.

Look at how thick and strong these new single ply's like the METAL and TITAN Katana shirts are now days!

Gear is gear....the ply doesn't matter.

Then why do people wear multi-ply? And why are the making a division with just single? let me guess, you wear 2ply briefs and a 3ply canvas.

1. As a casual observer, I agree with JR that most people do NOT equate the APF with the WPC.

2. Interesting that JR would use a NASA-SPF link, in light of the recent announcement that the Top Hogs are moving to the SPF (from NASA of course).

3. We all DON'T know that single-ply is as good as double-ply. Have any recent all-time records been set using single-ply?

Sounds pretty close to me. Kidder's boys run both right? The WPC is basically all AFP competitors anyways. You get a few russians, fins and a couple brits to show up.

Here is how the question was answered last time someone asked what the difference is. Still waiting...

http://www.worldpowerlifting.com/wpc-apf/viewtopic.php?t=355

J.R.

I appreciate your perspective as an insider. Do you remember that no matter how many times it was repeated that the WPO was not the WPC or APF the three couldn't be divorced? Whether it was true or not is irrelevant... you were battling perception.

That same perception seems to be in play with the WPC and APF. Check out this item for an illustration of the perception.

No, I don't wear double ply stuff. But I have tried it. I get way more out of the single Katana then the double RageX and Metal Viking I have tried.

This mainly goes for us lifters that aren't lifting over 800 lbs. A double ply will have to be a bit looser than a single ply at the top of a lift. So you get more carry though with a tight single ply shirt.

I guess all these people doing less than 800lbs and wearing double ply are just doing it to keep warm then.

The IPF is the gorvning body of the nataional organzation USAPL and the WPC/AWPC is the governing body of APF/AAPF>

Stating that the use of double ply equipment leads to training ignorance is simply untrue. I do believe this restriction isn't a bad idea because young tendons and joints aren't ready to hold up to the extreme poundage increases that double ply gear can lead to. I'm 30 years old and have just really started to experiment with double ply gear this year. I'm a veteran of the sport and let me tell you, my body is telling me that there is a huge difference. Any people who state that you get as much out of single ply are crazy, or just don't understand how to use double ply gear. I've used single ply in its various incarnations over the last 15 years, from the blast shirt and champion suit to the Super NXG+ material. The new generation single ply stuff is far superior to the old, but not in the ballpark of properly fitted and properly used double ply. Anyway, to my original statement, double ply use does not lead to training ignorance- I don't understand that statement at all. I do believe one needs to build a base before using double ply and this base includes tendon and joint strength. The technique required to lift heavy weights properly in double ply gear is the most specific in our sport. This is not to say that other forms are not difficult at all- they are in their own way. One must have some technique to perform any lift whether it is raw, single, or multi-ply, but the slightest amount of error is magnified with double ply because the weights are that much higher, thus the statement that double ply gear leads to training ignorance is false...

Is this the same Brian Batcheldor who previously stated that he could get any lifter through a drugs test? If so then why is someone like that allowed to be in charge of a bunch of "drug tested" teanagers?

There's no way that I'd let any teenager of mine anywhere near him or any of his feds!

From what I can gather, there are already 2 credible tested feds in the UK, one affiliated to the IPF and the other to the WDFPA so that's where I'd be placing my kids!

1 is called bawla and is linked with ipf but is on verge of folding

Incorrect, the powerlifting section is on the verge of breaking away from weighlifting and the sooner the better.

Powerlifting memberships prop up bwla,if the bwla powerlifters go there own way the only losers are the oly lifters, who hate on all powerlifters.BPC is now more concerned with pc issues due to its Sky TV contract.

Don't say that! Now I can't walk around with an holier than though attitude. I remember 6 years ago I used to bitch I had to wear an EHPH blast shirt but guys could use a double denim. that was considered cheat. Now that I have my Katana and can out lift double ply lifters and do 200lbs more than my max it is now fair!

absolutely awesome imo.

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