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Terry Tucker Leaves NASA Over Drug Testing Dispute

Apparently, in reaction to issues with the recently competed NASA Pro Powersports Championship, star lifter Terry Tucker has left the federation. While the entire story has yet to surface, Jamie McDougal, who won the Pro Powersports Championship, defends Tucker and clarifies that it pertains to drug testing. McDougal says that Tucker questioned NASA leaders about not conducting testing on the top lifters in each division as they had claimed they would leading up to the event. That, in turn, lead to Tucker leaving the federation. There's been no word on whether Tucker or NASA leaders made that decision.

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McDougal:

To set the record straight this is what happened:
1) Terry questioned why the top lifters in each category were not drug tested. This was on the NASA forum since the conception of the Pro Powersports. The top lifters in each category were supposed to be tested, money left in an escrow account until test came back negative then lifter would get money.
2)This was supposed to be kept in house with only 4 people involved so this could be resolved but Terry received contact from someone outside the 4 agreed upon involved. This is when the real trouble started.
3)Terry has been portrayed as a jealous lifter because he did not win, this is complete B.S. because he is a huge reason why I do fairly well in competition and he does not give a crap if he wins, he lives and breaths powerlifting for the sport not the money. I consider powerlifting a hobby whereas this is Terry's passion.
4)Terry defended himself with his REAL NAME, No troll, aka or whatever the hell you want to call it name. He is a very straightforward man that wants to help others improve. He is loyal to his friends and were he lifts sometimes to a flaw.

That is the cliff notes on what has happened. Feel free to post your REAL NAME if you have an intelligent response. I did not want to get on any powerlifting forums and respond like this, but I feel it is necessary that Terry knows that he has support from a real friend. I have nothing negative to say about anyone, if I did I would prefer to do it face to face like a man.

NASA lifter Tony Foster:

Terry has never been less than professional, and is always putting other lifters first...Not speaking for Terry, but one of the reasons he probably stayed in NASA is because of all the great lifters and good people he's met there...Not everybody lifts in a fed solely because of management and how they are running things. This so-called conspiracy that Terry was against these guys that got booted out of NASA, I've never heard the stories and have been with NASA over three years... He minds his own business and trains like a monster...Let's look at Terry for who is he; plain and simple, a badass powerlifter, pound for pound, and could probably mop most people up on the deadlift on this forum...He's got more supporters than you think, Riddler...Some are just quiet and don't know how to interpret what has happened, but they still respect Terry Tucker, and that won't change...

...What if you were in an organization, church, job, or whatever, and you stated your opinion about something, and got kicked out for it; just merely stating an opinion.

Tucker:

We say we go by coefficient on drug testing a lifter, yet I was drug tested before I had even set a coefficient for myself. I was drug tested on Saturday, but I weigh in the 220 class and always lift on Sunday. To my understanding, I had a lot of people question my abilities. So the organization, like I said, drug tested me before I had even lifted. The organization says that they change the rules for no one, but they changed them on that very day and tested me, and then when I question their methods I was punished for doing so. And then banded for unsportsmanlike conduct. Enough said for now, and there is still more to come. Anymore questions?

...

I ask him to let it go and he wouldn't dragging my name though mud but never say it,YES its me the one everyone is talking about TERRY TUCKER.Are you kidding me unsportsmanlike conduct after all the money I spent supporting you.

NASA Executive Committee member JT Hall:

Yes, the truth will come out soon.

Foster:

First of all I want to say I respect your lifting abilities and what you do for NASA, your promotion. I have an affinity for NASA too, chiefly because of the great lifters and how helpful and friendly they are...To a degree, I owe NASA for some of the friendships I've forged, but with that being said, I think you are going to be biased on this issue...You can't be totally objective with Terry Tucker. You are an Executive Committee member, and it would look bad if you sided with somebody who questioned the organization. You haven't even heard Terry's side of the story, and any logical and scientific mind knows there are ALWAYS two sides to a story...I think what gets me here is we have heard ONE side, not the other side, and so many people are jumping to the conclusion that Terry is a disgruntled lifter who got angry because he got beat...Number one, he really didn't get beat, he came home with a lot of money, but two nobody's hearing his side of the story...Should we, as honest caring christians, listen to a lifter's side of the story as well, not only the organizations....J.T., I see you as a strong believer..What would Jesus do in this?? What would a FAIR person do? I think for the sake of this situation, it would be wise not to comment on it anymore until you have called Terry Tucker personally and gotten his side...It's the only objective and fair way to come to a conclusion. If your allegience's to the Executive committee and NASA are so strong that you cannot even listen to another person's point of view, then I would bail out from this thread...Your biases will outweigh your logic..

Now with that being said, I'm not in a conspiracy with Terry, Jim Ray, or other NASA lifters that have been asked to leave NASA's forum...I have nothing negative to say about NASA or the lifters there. But I do find it obligatory to stand up for a friend, even if it means I lose my membership. And it's not only standing up for a friend, but it's telling people a simple message, "Hey, why is everybody jumping to conclusions, when only one side has been heard?" You guys have already made up your mind without having heard Tucker's side. J.T., I know you are much smarter than that, but I know your allegiances won't let you be fair on this...A man is not just somebody who is powerful on the platform. A man also stands up for what is right despite the popular grain of opinion and controversy. I do like you J.T., and you have been helpful with my quest in the bench press, but I had to be honest with you about this...And I don't troll, Tony Foster is Tony Foster, plain and simple.

...Some people are going to interpret the former the way they want to; that i'm a rebel...Whatever, I can't change what people think, no matter how diplomatic I'm trying to be...But my true intentions are to support freedom of speech and the freedom to have an opinion about something in a federation without fear of being ostracized or banned for it. I'm supporting the right for another person's story to be told, not just one side..If that's being a rebel and I'm labeled a heretic, so be it. I know these are the principles Americans have fought for.

NASA Executive Committee member Job Hou-Seye:

There are those who Know, and Know they Know. There are those who Don't Know, and they Know they Don't Know. And then there are those who Don't Know, but they Don't Know that they Don't Know.

Shame on everyone who calls themself a Christian and invokes Jesus or The Bible in this matter. IF you Knew the Details, then you'd Know that GREATER restraint was used, and GREATER attempts at resolution were attempted, than even Jesus would expect.

AS for the Details, NASA's Executive Committee does not air these issues on Public Forums.

Jesse Israel, who just cancelled his NASA membership:

Terry deserved better than to be called names after all that he gave to that organization. It does not appear that they promote lifting prowess but instead they feed off of loyalty. I find this strange for a sporting organization.

...I resigned my membership to NASA due to suspicious allegations made against those that don't choose to follow the party line. It is your party and you can participate as long as you wish but I cannot sign off on negative accusatory behaviors. I find it not only offensive but repulsive.

Brad Tripplet who defended Tucker at Outlaws, finds his NASA forum membership pulled:

Did I get kicked out of the power forum? I thought my membership was expired late this year. I never got a card and can't remember, but I know it was atleast the WC or after that I payed up?

...Also, whoever the trolls are that are trying to stir shit up between me and anyone else, I just wanna make it clear that I have not said anything bad towards anyone in NASA in those posts. Atleast one of those shit stirring posts was made by a nasa-ite.

I don't understand why. Why can't people in the powerlifting world stop b###hing and moaning towards everyone else based on the org. they lift with? Why don't I post any more than I do nowadays? Because I realized posting on these forums more than infrequently only makes you enemies. Too many enemies and too many plastic backbones.

NASA President Rich Peters claims Tripplet's punishment was accidental but issues a warning:

Most who post there are the dregs of the pl'ing world. that seems to be the gathering place for all of the malcontents of the sport.

...I have been updating the forums and deleting those that are not current members. Why you were deleted, I have no idea unless your user name didn't include your name in it. Several guys also had 3-4 user names posted as they had lost of forgotten their User Names and I had replaced them. So I may have deleted the wrong one, one that was forgotten or lost and let the lost one remain. Who knows.

As far as you going on other forums, I haven't seen or heard anything. Have you been doing that? if you have been, I am sure someone will be letting me know, usually Bruner.

Wounds will never heal as long as people keep picking at the wound and causing it to become infected. Time heals many things. My suggestion to people is this, if it doesn't effect them, they should keep their mouths shut and their nose out of others business. Let the parties involved work their difference out on their own. After all, can you actually do anything about what has happened? Many time a person will make things worse by getting involved in a situation.

But it's a free country and people can do as they like. Be well aware of the consequences though.

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1. Before anyone says that I'm sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, or just being my usual (poop) stirring self (LOL), Terry sought ME out, not the other way around.

2. The first thing I told Terry was, if you wanna go back, just apologize to Rich and he'll forgive you and take you back. (I did add that it is not in Rich to apologize for anything he does wrong.) When Terry said he would never go back, it made me very sad to think that they could take a SUPER-loyal lifter and make it so he now wants no part of them. It's just a darn shame....

3. I WAS right about the (lack of) drug testing. It was a sham. (Not a shame, as above.)

The breakdown of what happened is:

1) I made a post on the NASA forum asking if anyone would be interested in a training DVD made by the Top Hogs team. After some debate on that post, Rich deleted the thread. I then stated that NASA may have seen the last of TOPHOGTUCK. After I stated that, Rich contacted McDougal and spoke with him about the matter but never contacted me directly. McDougal informed Rich that I was upset because the drug testing that was supposed to happen at the pro meet did not happen. After that, I was banned from posting on the NASA forum and my name started being dragged through the mud on the forum.

2) I then spoke to an executive committee member in charge of drug testing about the drug testing policy. I told him I would like an answer on how the testing went at the pro meet. He assured me that he would get ahold of Rich and that he would get me an answer. No answer ever came. I asked him if I could still compete in his meets and he said yes. I decided to drop the matter and let that be that.

3) Job Hou-Seye then called my house at 1 a.m. I have no idea why he decided to involve himself in this matter. He stated that I had three choices. 1) I could agree with Rich on this issue and continue to lift in NASA, 2) I could walk away quietly, or 3) If I posted anything about this issue on other forums that I would be banned from NASA for unsportsmanlike behavior. Needless to say, this pissed me off as I felt I was being strongarmed into either agreeing with Rich or not getting to lift.

4) I found out that Rich said that I was being "coached" on this matter by John Crone and that John and Jim Ray were in a conspiracy to blackmail NASA. This is absolutely untrue. I vaguely even knew who Jim Ray was and had only spoken to John as a friend. John has never tried to be anything but loyal to NASA as well.

5) After being banned from both of the NASA forums and getting no contact from Rich, I did decide to voice my opinions on other forums. It was stated by Rich on his forum that I had threatened him and called him a liar and a cheat. That is complete BS. I never once threatened him or called him a liar or a cheat. The only thing I stated was that I would say what I thought on other forums since he had banned me from posting on his forums.

6) Through all of this Rich has never faced me man to man. He has never called me, choosing instead to call McDougal and others. Why he didn't just call me I guess I will never know. This has led us to where we are now. I loved NASA and made many great friends there. I brought many lifters to NASA meets and competed in 5-7 meets a year myself. I won Powersports Lifter of the Year two years and numerous other awards. I lived and breathed NASA. Now I am banned from NASA for unsportsmanlike behavior because I questioned Rich about the drug testing. This automatically put him on the defensive. I have seen Rich get very defensive about others who have questioned him and have heard him trash these other people at his meets. Rich has a good group of people in NASA, but he needs to realize that it is not all about Rich. He once stated at a banquet that he was the "paymaster". He puts himself on a pedestal constantly and does not like to be challenged. This is sad as it has caused several good supporters of NASA to be banned.

After all that has happened and as much trash as has been talked about me. I have made the decision to never lift with NASA again. I will be looking for a great federation to lift with and will be bringing a great group of lifters with me, as well as others that have decided to no longer put up with the BS.

If anyone wishes to contact me, please feel free to email me at trtuck1969@yahoo.com

Since all of this came out and I was banned I did contact Jim Ray because they had been talking about Jim and John blackmailing NASA. Since Job had stressed so strongly to not post this on other forums or to talk with Jim Ray, I decided to see what Jim had to say about this mess.

I feel like there may be other lifters in NASA that disagree with some of the things that are said or done. I would like to invite everyone to open up and say what you really want to say. You can use your real name or post anonymously if you wish. Noone can ban you from stating your opinions here. There has been a lot of talk about "family" in NASA, so let me hear from you family.

You're only a part of "family" if you kiss Peters ass. Job is not much better.

I don't know Mr. Tucker or NASA, but I have issues with feds too. Also companies and organizations in general. The best way to be remembered is to take your dollars and your attendance elsewhere. The sound of silence is deafening.

I have to agree with Terry here. I have seen many untoward comments made about people who are no longer affiliated with the NASA organization and havew chosen to vote against this type of behavior with my dollars. If you disagree with the way that an organization is doing things don't participate.

Dang Terry - how could you NOT know who I was, LOL? I thought EVERYone knew the freakin' world revolves around me! I do admit that I am fat enough to generate my own gravitational pull....

Seriously, just reading over that is like reliving a bad dream. Crone has been down that road. And Shawn too. And who knows how many others have just gone away quietly? To quote The Cat In The Hat,

"What a shame, what a shame, what a shame."

Wow, I'm glad NASA isn't in my state. That Job guy seems like a complete jack ass. Someone was going to do a NASA meet and posted a squat video to get advice on depth. Job posted on multiple forums making fun of the guy.

Terry you know what I went through. You heard Rich badmouth me at the 2006 World Cup. You show support and work to help out and the minute you question things or challenge what goes on, you get the boot.

All the talk about "monitoring coefficients" and yet you were tested on a Saturday when you had not even lifted!!! That was done because someone requested that you be tested and yet you were not even allowed to know who requested it??

Troy Stuart and I faced this same thing when we spoke up against Rich allowing the term "wetback" to be used freely by the troll Davy Crockett and Phat Mexican. We now know that Phat Mexican was Job Hou-Seye. Rich not only allowed it, but vigorously defended it. Rich's explanation was that "wetback" was the term they use "down here". When a post was made on his forum that calling a mexican a wetback was the same as using racial slurs against a black man, he lost it. He believed that I made that post and he was going to kick me out of the meet halfway through the Masters Nationals that you and I went to. Mike Ewoldsen talked him out of that because he believed it would be too big of a scene. So Rich told Mike that he would take care of it another way. This came directly from Mike Ewoldsens mouth. What happened? As you know, I was drug tested, even though I had the lowest coefficient I ever posted in NASA in over 10 meets. Rich knew I was on medical testosterone at the time and he knew I would fail. I believe this and many others I talked to, including you believed this as well.

I tried to make peace with NASA because I wanted to continue to lift with you Tucker. I knew you loved NASA and I knew you cared for our friendship and I did not ever want you to be uncomfortable with what might be said. Well partner, you are now in that position and I am supporting you 100%.

Know this Terry, you will be talked bad about. Hell I'm sure the badmouthing of me wil pcik back up again now. Rich and Job troll constantly, all the while telling the NASA members that they do not and preaching that members should avoid other forums. Hell maybe Job will even use his access to background checks to do a check on you. He did one on Jim Ray just to try to find dirt on Jim to use on the internet. There will be many attempts to discredit you on the restricted NASA forum. They know no bounds, as is evidenced by them making fun of my eye disease, a disease that is taking away my sight(yes everyone, I am the former NASA ref that everyone says was blind). Yeah, great group of guys there. Be ready for the storm Terry, cause it will come. Hopefully enough people will see through the shit. It may make no difference, but speaking our minds is the right thing to do.

Rich and Job, you deserve every bit of what you get. You have dished out plenty. You have trashed peoples names, you have made fun of people, and you have made bigoted comments (yes I know thats just a term you use down here) against hispanics. You made fun of my eye problems and that crossed a big line. I tried to be cool for Tuckers sake, but since you have chosen to screw him over now, what's the point. I am sure you two will work your keyboards feverishly to strike back, please do all of us a favor and use your real names now that it's all out in the open. No more Rusty Knutts, Keen Observer, Needles Ned, Fred Wasson, etc....

I felt I did need to say this.

There are many great people in NASA and I have missed many of you and will miss you in the future.

"Don't CRY for me NASA"

ALL I can say is simply F-ing amazing! What a bunch of cry babies.

For years all you NASA extremes have know/knew about Prick Peters and the way he lies and cheats and slanders people yet ALL of you turned the other cheek! Even when you saw him, one by one use and abuse your fellow lifter and friend. You still supported this trash with your time and labor and more so MONEY!

Forget about the scum bag calling me a child molester for years and calling my sponsors telling them I threaten to kill him, calling the local police saying that I am a big time roid dealer and I sell to high school kids and then going after my family and friends.

What is amazing is you who are crying now are the same one to allow him to ruin many lifters that you have known and became friends with over the years and yet you abandoned them like throw away kleenex? I watched Peters sling mud on a guy named Jim Ray whom I have never met and when I saw NASA going to work on him, I started posting to defend him and then he was called one of my cronies!

Remember the long list of names that NASA has attacked and then add the names above. Joe Dentice was called child molester, Martin Drake a cheat and liar, hell even whole federations were attacked by NASA and the NASA lifters were "ordered" not to lift in them anymore.

This kind of NASA tactics have been the root of Peters from day one, but came to head for me was when he tried to destroy Mike and MIcki Shefflers simply due to the fact that they were friends with me. The last straw for them was when Rich screwed Micki out of best lifter and gave it to another girl whom he was hooked up with.

Sorry to say, you guys should be ashamed for allowing/helping this nut to to trash your friends all these years. However it looks like some positive is happening and with guys like Jesse and some of Terry's (true) friends the truth is coming out!

This event has exposed the NASA and Peters real being and let's see where it goes.

late

John

Did you try to create a new powerlifting federation that would be in direct competition with NASA?

Terry

I have read all the posts online about this whole fiasco and still do not understand what you are upset about?
If I get tested it is no big deal.
Whether in a meet or out of meet.
So what are you so upset about?

i don't lift in your fed so no worries from any of these people. what amazes me is you all have such a "lil hitler" running things. if the posts and background on this are true, unfucking-belivable! you reeally can't post on other forums without being punished" some one in charge calling latinos wetbacks? just drug testing people your pissed at? and this is supposed to be one of the "nice and wholesome" federations? WOW! sorry fellas but it all seems like a bunch of jr. high school girls debating on why mary lou can't be a popular girl anymore. and that's no bad towards the lifters affected buy all this melodrama, it just shows some fragile egos are in charge of that fed and now its out in the open affecting some of the top lifters. to those of you involved hope you have a speedy resolution to all of this. and i mean the lifters, not the assholes in charge causing such discontent.

I am not in on any current NASA events.
I used to lift with NASA and then they pulled from NC. I found a new home with IBP,USAPL and WNPF so it was no big problem and I still thought highly of NASA and Rich. If you dont like a fed there is always another one there with open arms.

Then I got more active on the internet with posts on forums including the old NASA forum. The old forum allowed trolls to post as opposed to the new one that requires you to be a member in good standing. I applaud Rich for doing making his new forum that way as I hated trolls.

I am currently banned from any forum with NASA since I am not a member and that is ok. I still go and read up on who is doing what and current events with NASA. I believe NASA has some good ideas and I like to know what a federation like NASA is doing. NASA has some good people and Rich is a good guy. He just gets a little cranked up at times. :)

My name got drug through the mud a little (most of it in fun by trolls at NASA). I later found out that some of the trolls were not members of NASA and purposely caused conflict.

Here is my advice to Terry or any of you out there. If you have an issue with a federation then pick up a phone and call its president or ceo personally. Dont talk to anybody else or answer trolls etc..
Terry.....you should call Rich and talk it out or get it positively or negatively resolved in person. Rich isnt that hard to get ahold of. Like I said. I am banned from nasa forums but I could call him right now if I wished. He would pick up and talk to me (politely) and he would talk to you. Dont do your talking through Jamie or Job. Talk directly to Rich.

The internet is a useful tool for powerlifting but it is also very bad for people because sometimes a post isnt read the same way that the person meant for it to be taken.

Good luck and dont let posts on the internet ruin your fun with NASA or anybody else.

Tom

Tom Isbell, that was a very well thought out and intelligent post. Sometimes common sense gets lost in all of the drama. Nice job.

Anonymous wrote:
John

Did you try to create a new powerlifting federation that would be in direct competition with NASA?

LOL....What the hell?? Absolutely not. I don't have the money or the time to start any powerlifting federation. What actually happened is one NASA lifter that I knew in Texas told me he was thinking about starting to meet on meets, then a NASA lifter who I talked to in Arkansas said he would like to put on meets. I told one about the other and they said they would contact one another. Simple as that, I had no part in it other than saying "Hey someone else mentioned that". The rumor that I wanted to do it did get started back then though, and is just as laughable now as it was then.

"Troy Stuart and I faced this same thing when we spoke up against Rich allowing the term "wetback" to be used freely by the troll Davy Crockett and Phat Mexican. We now know that Phat Mexican was Job Hou-Seye. Rich not only allowed it, but vigorously defended it. Rich's explanation was that "wetback" was the term they use "down here". When a post was made on his forum that calling a mexican a wetback was the same as using racial slurs against a black man, he lost it. He believed that I made that post and he was going to kick me out of the meet halfway through the Masters Nationals that you and I went to. Mike Ewoldsen talked him out of that because he believed it would be too big of a scene. So Rich told Mike that he would take care of it another way. This came directly from Mike Ewoldsens mouth. What happened? As you know, I was drug tested, even though I had the lowest coefficient I ever posted in NASA in over 10 meets. Rich knew I was on medical testosterone at the time and he knew I would fail. I believe this and many others I talked to, including you believed this as well. "

"Wetbacks" .. I can see that coming from Peters and Job's mouth. Maybe that's why there are few Latinos in NASA.

Confused wrote:
Terry

I have read all the posts online about this whole fiasco and still do not understand what you are upset about?
If I get tested it is no big deal.
Whether in a meet or out of meet.
So what are you so upset about?

1) Terry questioned why the top lifters in each category were not drug tested. This was on the NASA forum since the conception of the Pro Powersports. The top lifters in each category were supposed to be tested, money left in an escrow account until test came back negative then lifter would get money.
2)This was supposed to be kept in house with only 4 people involved so this could be resolved but Terry received contact from someone outside the 4 agreed upon involved. This is when the real trouble started.
3)Terry has been portrayed as a jealous lifter because he did not win, this is complete B.S. because he is a huge reason why I do fairly well in competition and he does not give a crap if he wins, he lives and breaths powerlifting for the sport not the money. I consider powerlifting a hobby whereas this is Terry's passion.
4)Terry defended himself with his REAL NAME, No troll, aka or whatever the hell you want to call it name. He is a very straightforward man that wants to help others improve. He is loyal to his friends and were he lifts sometimes to a flaw.

Confused wrote:
Terry

I have read all the posts online about this whole fiasco and still do not understand what you are upset about?
If I get tested it is no big deal.
Whether in a meet or out of meet.
So what are you so upset about?

What is he upset about??? Are you kidding me...The man merely questioned the organization about their drug testing techniques, and he was banned from the organization/forum and then had his name drug through mud, yet to a flaw and his respect towards NASA, he has not spoken a word about it until today. When an organization says they are going to test a certain way, then the integrity needs to follow. The pro powersports lifters got the money before the test results came in...Maybe this is hard for you to conceive, but it sounds like Terry is not so upset about the drug testing as much as how he was treated for questioning it...His very right of freedom of speech was stifled. His was kicked out for not agreeing with the powers that be... When Tucker requested to resolve this, Rich would not talk to him face to face, but sent Job to say he was going to get banned if he didn't squash it..This wouldn't bother you???

Anonymous wrote:
Tom Isbell, that was a very well thought out and intelligent post. Sometimes common sense gets lost in all of the drama. Nice job.

You must have missed it somewhere, Terry did try to talk to Peters, several times...Every time, Job or another member of the Executive committee was sent..Rich would not talk to Terry directly. His argument is that he wanted to be unbiased.

Tim"THEPEOPLESCHAMP"Bruner wrote:
"Don't CRY for me NASA"

ALL I can say is simply F-ing amazing! What a bunch of cry babies.

For years all you NASA extremes have know/knew about Prick Peters and the way he lies and cheats and slanders people yet ALL of you turned the other cheek! Even when you saw him, one by one use and abuse your fellow lifter and friend. You still supported this trash with your time and labor and more so MONEY!

Forget about the scum bag calling me a child molester for years and calling my sponsors telling them I threaten to kill him, calling the local police saying that I am a big time roid dealer and I sell to high school kids and then going after my family and friends.

What is amazing is you who are crying now are the same one to allow him to ruin many lifters that you have known and became friends with over the years and yet you abandoned them like throw away kleenex? I watched Peters sling mud on a guy named Jim Ray whom I have never met and when I saw NASA going to work on him, I started posting to defend him and then he was called one of my cronies!

Remember the long list of names that NASA has attacked and then add the names above. Joe Dentice was called child molester, Martin Drake a cheat and liar, hell even whole federations were attacked by NASA and the NASA lifters were "ordered" not to lift in them anymore.

This kind of NASA tactics have been the root of Peters from day one, but came to head for me was when he tried to destroy Mike and MIcki Shefflers simply due to the fact that they were friends with me. The last straw for them was when Rich screwed Micki out of best lifter and gave it to another girl whom he was hooked up with.

Sorry to say, you guys should be ashamed for allowing/helping this nut to to trash your friends all these years. However it looks like some positive is happening and with guys like Jesse and some of Terry's (true) friends the truth is coming out!

This event has exposed the NASA and Peters real being and let's see where it goes.

late

Hey,
the late and great Bruner...You make some good points, but you are also making sweeping generalizations..Just because you are privy to things that happened in NASA, doesn't mean the rest of us were or supported it...You automatically assume we supported the things with John Crone, or the lady who got cheated out of best lifter..I personally didn't know about it, and I'm sure many others didn't...Many of us are interested in training more than the politics, but this situation just hit home.

Late,
Bruner approves this post!!!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Tom Isbell, that was a very well thought out and intelligent post. Sometimes common sense gets lost in all of the drama. Nice job.

You must have missed it somewhere, Terry did try to talk to Peters, several times...Every time, Job or another member of the Executive committee was sent..Rich would not talk to Terry directly. His argument is that he wanted to be unbiased.

Use your name.
As far as I am concerned you are a troll.
My point was this........dont get your information second hand. If you do dont take that and run to other boards with it like it is gospel.

Who is on the NASA executive committee now?

This has completely got out of control. At this time I no longer have the desire to compete anywhere until this matter is resolved. This is supposed to be a "hobby" that relieves stress, not causes stress. What ever happened to the "Brotherhood of Powerlifting". Trolls, AKA or whatever names people hide behind are busy stirring up shit and are ruining powerlifting. All this does is put fuel on the fire. No one is bigger than the sport of powerlifting and some believe they are. Unless you can help with a solution to this mess, can help avoid this from happening again, or improve powerlifting as a whole why else should you post? If you have any positive or negative comments, post with your real name so it has some merit. This is supposed to be about lifting heavy ass weight, competing and the true sport of competition. I experience this 4-5 times a week at my own gym so I don't have to travel to compete. Don't complicate something so simple, get your ass in the gym, pay your dues and do your talking on the platform! Quit arguing and start debating like grown adults, only then will there be a solution.

Tom: the damage has already been done, and it wasn't Terry's fault. You know how the drill goes.

Jamie: Without being condescending, I honestly feel sorry for the Top Hogs. You guys are all studs and just wanna lift. Good luck.

I believe the only good way out of this for NASA is for Rich to issue a PUBLIC apology to Terry and announce a suspension (3-6 mos.) for Job Hou-Seye. (Job should still be able to hold meets after the suspension, but should be replaced on the EC.) I, uh... won't hold my breath.

McDougal wrote:
This has completely got out of control. At this time I no longer have the desire to compete anywhere until this matter is resolved. This is supposed to be a "hobby" that relieves stress, not causes stress. What ever happened to the "Brotherhood of Powerlifting". Trolls, AKA or whatever names people hide behind are busy stirring up shit and are ruining powerlifting. All this does is put fuel on the fire. No one is bigger than the sport of powerlifting and some believe they are. Unless you can help with a solution to this mess, can help avoid this from happening again, or improve powerlifting as a whole why else should you post? If you have any positive or negative comments, post with your real name so it has some merit. This is supposed to be about lifting heavy ass weight, competing and the true sport of competition. I experience this 4-5 times a week at my own gym so I don't have to travel to compete. Don't complicate something so simple, get your ass in the gym, pay your dues and do your talking on the platform! Quit arguing and start debating like grown adults, only then will there be a solution.

Sorry Jamie.
I wasnt trying to get into your argument or stir trouble.

I was just offering some experienced advice regarding the internet and letting it effect your organization and friendships.

You are missing the point Tom. The internet is not causing the problems. Rich Peters and Job are the problems. It sounds like you bought a bill of goods from Rich when he smoothed things over with you. I was witness to what he and others did to you at the nasa forum. Believe what you will but those trolls were NASA leaders.

No one is winning or going to win this. Everyone involved has lost something in this. This really is very sad. If you say that you didn't loose anything then you aren't involved and shouldn't be in this discussion.

I had been with nasa and Rich Peters since day one. For the past 25 years I have listened to other lifters tell me what an asshole Rich Peters is. I ignored them simply because Rich had always been straight with me. I judge people by how they treat me and not by what others say about them.
That being said I now have to agree with the masses, Rich Peters really is an asshole.
I lifted in Martin Drakes meet in 2006 and Prick Peters gets on the nasa forum as a troll stating that 4 nasa lifters lifted in the AAU meet and that nasa lifters should be boycotting martin Drake. The troll Peters also wrote that Martin Drake was running around his meet bad mouthing him and nasa to everyone that would listen.
My response to Fred the troll AKA Prick Peters was that Number one "Unless you are paying my bills I will lift any place I want to and until then you can kiss my ass" I also went on to say that "I don't know what Martin Drake was saying to others but around me all he had to say was good things about Rich and nasa" Rich e mailed me saying I should have nothing to do with Martin Drake and how he is no friend of nasa. I told Rich that I was not going to piss on the guy simply because he said I should.
Then Fred the troll posts "Is this the way an Athlete of the Year should act?" and posted a link to what I like to call the "Pete Rose Rule" Which basically says that if nasa pretty much doesn't like anything I do away from the platform then they can take away your nasa awards.
At that point I e mailed Rich directly and told him I was no longer interested in being a part of nasa. This was in December of 2006. Rich Peters likes to brag up his "family values" but Rich Peters has been divorced, his wife left him under allegations of spousal abuse, he went bankrupt, his kids have dropped out of school, alleged criminal record, alleged tax fraud, the list goes on and on. Those are some family values. Prick Peters is the last person in the world I would allow to be my moral barometer.
It was only AFTER I was awarded the AAU state chair for Nevada that Prick Peters accused me of being a child molester. Anyone remember the post "coming soon, the Dentice files" that Prick Peters posted on his web site? Well after Prick Peters made his accusations public the AAU and Martin Drake contacted Prick peters for documentation. The best Prick could come up with was "he swore at me and used bad language" When asked again about documentation all that anybody heard was crickets. Prick Peters was then told that if he saw what he claims he saw he should contact the police and then get back in contact with the AAU. With in minutes everything negative about me was pulled from the nasa web site.
Rich Peters really is an asshole like everyone has been saying for years. With more and more loyal nasa lifters leaving nasa or being banned the rest of the world is starting to see the light.
If Prick Peters wanted to attack my character he would have had a better shot sticking to the truth. Instead he made up lies and kept upping the ante because I wouldn't cave into his demands. Sorry Rich, I'm not Marcia, you can't bitch slap me if I don't do what you tell me to. I'd say about 95% of all the crap Prick Peters and his flunkies have been saying about me is bullshit. Keep that in mind when you listen to him talk about others that have left his cult.
By the way Tim I will gladly accept your offer to pay for my entry fee for the USLF Nationals in Rhode Island.
hail Caesar, Joe Dentice

terry tucker is my friend, my brother, my coach and my training partner so i have known the details of this situation from day one.i am proud to support my friend and teammate tophog terry tucker and i do so without reservation. i have seen the emails, the posts, and the private messages.... terry has been up front honest and ethical despite attacks on his character as well as other "anonymous" chicken shit threats.... (we all know who you are).... it is truely sad to see a good man dragged through the mud by those who are so insecure about there own abilities that they must resort to bullying and kicking people out of thier organization should they dare to ask a question...thats all that tucker did. he did none of the things he has been accused of and he is certinly one of the most sportsman like competetors nasa has ever seen. i have a question for you rich... if you are going to ban everyone who brings dishonor to nasa when are you going to ban yourself and your yes men and close up shop? guess i'll get banned for that one, hell rich will probably even ban me from other organizations and maybe even ban me from lifting with my own team. wow rich your tremendous power and authority scare me. well rich, handjob, and the rest of the cult i will save you the trouble of banning me. i am proudly resigning my membership in nasa and i will gladly suffer your punishment of removing me from your forum, stripping me of any awards etc... see guys you just dont get it. its never been about big talk and getting your cheap ass trophies for real lifters. running your mouth about your abilities is what you do... testing ourselves is what we do. the competetion is with ourselves and no organization or its executive board or its president will ever be bigger than the individual lifter. whithout us you are no longer needed. its that simple.... (i made it that way so you could understand).... it will be a tough lesson but i'm almost certain you're checkbook will catch on first. then you will come back with some other angle. bad news, we're all on to you pal... i know, i know, if we dont like nasa and how important you are then we can just leave... well, i just did, and guess what rich... nobody is scared of you anymore... for the good of nasa it is time for you to step down. more to the point, the example you set for the organization and powerlifting is disgusting.

dan martin, ph.d.

It's heartwarming to see Terry's true friends stand up for him. Judging from Rich's response on the public (Training) forum, he's firmly entrenched in the bunker. From reading the list (1-8), I inferred that there is MORE going on INside the private forum.

wow it only took you a couple of hours to come up with that.... you should get an award for participation. thanks for the laugh.

Hey! Who cares? Less internet time, more time in the gym.

STFU and stop being crybabies about a sport of strength. Don't like the fed? Don't lift there. Let it go, it won't change a thing.

Yo Vern baby, why not thrill us with tales of your lifting prowess? What? Your name has never been associated with lifting? Amazing....

Grow up Rich/Job.

Dan...I am proud to see you stand up for Tucker as well. This situation has been awhile coming. I am sure my name will be thrown about many times before it is all over, but I have never denied anything and never tried to hide anything, and I don't intend to start now.

Terry, I wouldn't be to concerened about being banned from NASA-- I went to a couple of there meets--- there is much better out there!!! Use this to fuel your workouts and to become a better lifter in a better organization.

J.T. HALL take time and read everything that has happen before you say anything and you can e-mail me or call me and we will talk about this if you would like.I think thats what I ask for the King to do "please call me before this thing gets to big" thats what I said and he didn't but the Puppet Cheese Head called.I did not want to talk to the Cheese.I did not pay him my money to lift.I pay the King to lift so I needed an answer so I needed to talk to him.

TOPHOGTUCK
UNSPORTSMANLIKE
EX-LIFTER
LET IT GO I"M DONE

Why do you keep saying "King" and "Cheese"?

Anonymous wrote:
Why do you keep saying "King" and "Cheese"?

That's right Terry. I asked you to stop doing that in another post.
"I do have to take exception to one of your pervious statements and tell you that I am extremely offended that you have started referring to Prick Peter as "The King" Mr. Tucker this is an insult to Monarchs around the world. Not to mention insulting the real King. The Great Elvis Presley. In the future please refrain from associating the fine Gentleman from Memphis with the scum bag Prick from Oklahomo.
Likewise the great state of Wisconsin does not have to be dragged through the mud and it's main industry blemished by being associated with Job E Bishop by calling him "The Cheese" A more suitable name for Hand Job might be "Dick Cheese" which has been approved by the American Dairy council."

Now Please Terry, for the good of man kind call him Rich the Bitch, Prick Peters or Double P.
The "cheese" is to be know as The Puppet, Hand Job, Ditto, and my new up and coming favorite "Job E Bishop"

Now Peter's son Tad has tossed his hat into the ring. Of course you really can't blame him. If he ever questioned Daddy he would get a back hand to the face and be disowned.
The poor kid is screwed for life. If Peters tossed him out he would have no job, no education and no place to live.

Terry Tuckers over at BMF forum now and on there forum. what up with that. hows that going to work when BMF sponsor's J.T. Hall? That's going to put J.T. in Rich Peters bad side for sure. BMF hasnt said anything since that raw thing so whats up?

What is the link to the BMF Forum?

Do tell so we can read it.

Terry Tucker didnt say nothing. he got a trianing log there now. Hes not on BMF sponsored lifter list yet http://bmfsports.proboards45.com/index.cgi

Bud has talked with Terry Tucker and yes we will be sponsoring the Top Hogs powerlifting team soon. We will add them to the website soon. Right now we have to concentrate on Nevada Dave's race and the ADFPF powerlifting contest this month so any other information will come from Bud around the end of the month, probably in our newsletter.

VJ

Since Bmf has J T HALL will having Terry Tucker cause a problem or confilct of interest? Where is Terry's team goin to lift?

TX PWR wrote:
Since Bmf has J T HALL will having Terry Tucker cause a problem or confilct of interest? Where is Terry's team goin to lift?

It would be great if they came to 100% RAW.

Ex Nasa and proud of it wrote:
Now Peter's son Tad has tossed his hat into the ring. Of course you really can't blame him. If he ever questioned Daddy he would get a back hand to the face and be disowned.
The poor kid is screwed for life. If Peters tossed him out he would have no job, no education and no place to live.

Excuse me? You don't know anything about me.

I threw my "hat" into the ring by posting the coefs dating back to 2007. If you want to trash talk me, say it with a real name. All you people do is sit there and complain about troll names when you use them yourselves.

The only person who deserves a back hand here is you, and I'd be happy to help you out with that.

All unnecessary drama aside, a damn good lifter and equally good guy has been screwed over here. That's how it is regardless of the spin you put on it.

We're proud and happy to support Terry Tucker the and Top Hog team, and look forward to working with them all.

Tad wrote:
Ex Nasa and proud of it wrote:
Now Peter's son Tad has tossed his hat into the ring. Of course you really can't blame him. If he ever questioned Daddy he would get a back hand to the face and be disowned.
The poor kid is screwed for life. If Peters tossed him out he would have no job, no education and no place to live.

Excuse me? You don't know anything about me.

I threw my "hat" into the ring by posting the coefs dating back to 2007. If you want to trash talk me, say it with a real name. All you people do is sit there and complain about troll names when you use them yourselves.

The only person who deserves a back hand here is you, and I'd be happy to help you out with that.

Not know anything about you? Most long time nasa people have known you since you were born. Everybody knows you are a high school drop out. That is something to be proud of. And don't come back with "I got my GED" or Good Enough Degree. You are just another uneducated red neck, just like your old man.
As far as troll names go your pops is the biggest troll in powerlifting. Why don't you tell him to man up and use his real name? A lot of people don't want to use their real name because of fear they will be labeled a child molester, a drug addict, a criminal or a sore loser by your old man. NASA a once proud organization is turning into a punch line for a series of jokes. Screw the coefs. which by the way were made up by your pops, has anybody bothered to see if they really work? Sure Prick Peters says they work but his credibility is losing ground by the minute.
The apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree in your family. Now you are issuing threats? Just like your old man your mouth is writing checks your ass can't cash. I guess this is what Peters meant about "The hammer will fall" Now the guy is hiding behind his kid.
Tad, go back to loading weights and let the grown ups talk here.

I am lol'ing at your post because the first thing I looked at was your troll name. It proves right there you're scared.

Who's the grown up here? When ya wanna grow a pair and post with your real name give me a holla.

Until you post with a real name I'm not even going to acknowledge your posts because you are of no relevance! This is my final post to you, Ex-NASA! We're doing great without ya.

PS: What's so bad about a GED, brother? You calling everybody who gets a GED an uneducated redneck? Lol! I'll be loading weights alright!; a lot better than you ever could!

Have fun posting on page 13. :D

Vic Jides wrote:
All unnecessary drama aside, a damn good lifter and equally good guy has been screwed over here. That's how it is regardless of the spin you put on it.

We're proud and happy to support Terry Tucker the and Top Hog team, and look forward to working with them all.

Good luck to all of you in the future.

Tad wrote:
I am lol'ing at your post because the first thing I looked at was your troll name. It proves right there you're scared.

Who's the grown up here? When ya wanna grow a pair and post with your real name give me a holla.

Until you post with a real name I'm not even going to acknowledge your posts because you are of no relevance! This is my final post to you, Ex-NASA! We're doing great without ya.

PS: What's so bad about a GED, brother? You calling everybody who gets a GED an uneducated redneck? Lol! I'll be loading weights alright!; a lot better than you ever could!

Have fun posting on page 13. :D

Your pops is the biggest troll on the net. Hell I might be Double P myself on here just to stir up more shit.
What is a Holla? You are not from the "Hood"
"1. holla back girl

A girl that is willing to be treated like a doormat or booty call. She is a girl that will allow guys to do whatever they want with her and will just wait for them to 'holla back' at them."

So you are saying you are a doormat? Well your pops treats you like one so I guess so.

What is wrong with a GED? A GED means you didn't have what it takes to finish four years of high school. It means you are a quitter and you have no heart. If you think High school was bad wait until you get out into the real world.
When I interview someone for a job if all they have is a GED their application goes right into the trash. Unless they have a college degree I don't waste my time. Why would I hire someone that is just going to quit when things get to hard for them? I'm not calling everyone with a GED an uneducated red neck, just you.
Yes, nasa is doing great, with more people leaving every day.

yes, you can load weights. But the sad part is that is all you can do. Put that on a job application. "No education, no job experience, but I can load the shit out of a barbell." Good luck with that VP position you apply for.

Now why don't you listen to that loser pops of yours and stay off the forums.

JimRay wrote:
Tom: the damage has already been done, and it wasn't Terry's fault. You know how the drill goes.

Jamie: Without being condescending, I honestly feel sorry for the Top Hogs. You guys are all studs and just wanna lift. Good luck.

I believe the only good way out of this for NASA is for Rich to issue a PUBLIC apology to Terry and announce a suspension (3-6 mos.) for Job Hou-Seye. (Job should still be able to hold meets after the suspension, but should be replaced on the EC.) I, uh... won't hold my breath.

Jim, the only thing missing is the little guy saying "Da Plane Boss, Da Plane" because if you think Peters is ever going to apologize for anything you have got to be on Fantasy Island.

What I want to know is why is Job E Bishop still a part of nasa?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=186&topic_id=20952

http://jef4wi.blogspot.com/2006_10_22_archive.html

http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/z1995/95-2782.html

Anybody want to explain to me how this isn't
according to NASA SPORTSMANSHIP & MISCONDUCT GUIDELINES
2. Bringing disrespect to NASA in any way

3. Conduct unbecoming of any NASA award including Athlete of the Year.

EX NASA and Proud of it. wrote:
Tad wrote:
I am lol'ing at your post because the first thing I looked at was your troll name. It proves right there you're scared.

Who's the grown up here? When ya wanna grow a pair and post with your real name give me a holla.

Until you post with a real name I'm not even going to acknowledge your posts because you are of no relevance! This is my final post to you, Ex-NASA! We're doing great without ya.

PS: What's so bad about a GED, brother? You calling everybody who gets a GED an uneducated redneck? Lol! I'll be loading weights alright!; a lot better than you ever could!

Have fun posting on page 13. :D

Your pops is the biggest troll on the net. Hell I might be Double P myself on here just to stir up more shit.
What is a Holla? You are not from the "Hood"
"1. holla back girl

A girl that is willing to be treated like a doormat or booty call. She is a girl that will allow guys to do whatever they want with her and will just wait for them to 'holla back' at them."

So you are saying you are a doormat? Well your pops treats you like one so I guess so.

What is wrong with a GED? A GED means you didn't have what it takes to finish four years of high school. It means you are a quitter and you have no heart. If you think High school was bad wait until you get out into the real world.
When I interview someone for a job if all they have is a GED their application goes right into the trash. Unless they have a college degree I don't waste my time. Why would I hire someone that is just going to quit when things get to hard for them? I'm not calling everyone with a GED an uneducated red neck, just you.
Yes, nasa is doing great, with more people leaving every day.

yes, you can load weights. But the sad part is that is all you can do. Put that on a job application. "No education, no job experience, but I can load the shit out of a barbell." Good luck with that VP position you apply for.

Now why don't you listen to that loser pops of yours and stay off the forums.

No real name, no response. Talk to yourself for a while, Joey.

Who might Joey Be? Are you talking about Job E Bishop? There is more than one person that hates nasa. You have been Duped just like the rest of the nasa cattle.
I thought you said you weren't going to answer.
I guess lying runs in the family too.

Now the nuts at nasa are blowing their own horn about upcoming meets. Looks like they are trying to convince themselves instead of others. Still waiting on that hammer.

Job Hou Seye said..."AS for the Details, NASA's Executive Committee does not air these issues on Public Forums."

But Job sure doesn't mind emailing his personal battles with Jim Ray to every NASA member. Don't trust this chump.

Last year he spammed my squat depth picture across the Internet, making fun of my weight, and then proceeded to ban with without explanation from NASA when I politely asked why.

come on people... why do u think? it must be the rules! ROFLMAO