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Tim Bruner On The Sumo Deadlift

Tim Bruner opines that sumo style deadlifting is manipulating the rules and is the "wrong" way to deadlift. Does sumo deadlifting violate the spirit of the rules, even if not the written rules?

So now we have the "Sumo" guy trying to sell us that it is harder or not easy to use a Sumo style?

Well goofballs....Everyone knows the reason lifters(most) use the sumo style is becasue it IS EASIER ! It also allows some guys who are not flexiable enough to bend down (some are too fat)
yes it does shorten the stroke distance and it does allow you to use the belt more!

There are some examples like Coan who can deadlift both styles and still lift a ton, yet for most guys its just due to the fact that they can't do the conventional way and sumo is easier. I mean I do not know what everyone else think but I for one think that when I see a guy deadlifting sumo style, that he sucks at deadlifting the "real" way and that he is manipulating the rules. Or he is hurt or lack some basic flexiability.

Then when I see a deadlift pulled like a man (the right way)conventional, then I everyone saw what this guy is truely made of! It is no different than a guy spreading his hands out as far as he can and eat like a pig and get so fat that he has a 2 inch stroke and of course no muscle shape at all!

Yes I do lift conventional.


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Who gives a shit about what 1 person has to say on how a "real man" deadlifts. If you do convo or sumo it dosen't matter at all as long as you can out deadlift the other guy.

sumo is easier?

Bolton: conventional
Benni: conventional
Konstantinovs: conventional

It's the same thing as "belly" benchers using an excessive arch to shorten the stroke of the movement.
Quit whining and lift !

I somewhat agree. However the sumo is not easier, but yes most use it because they can get more weight. Isnt that what is powerlifting is all about? Aren't you suppposed to use the best technique to hoist the most weight?

I agree 100% with Carl. If sumo is easier, then why do elite lifters like Bolton, Magnusson, and Garry Frank use conventional deadlifting.

Sumo has been around as far back as the 70s in competeion, probably made famous by Inaba and the rest of the Japanese team. I seem to remember England's Eddie Pengelly doing sumo as well.

Get a life.

Anonymous wrote:
I agree 100% with Carl. If sumo is easier, then why do elite lifters like Bolton, Magnusson, and Garry Frank use conventional deadlifting.

Oh yeah, what dose Tim have to say about this one now, huh? I agree with Carl also.

Sigh ...

Doesn't really matter if it's easier or harder (that's going to depend on the individual).

Bottom line is that it's a different lift from a conventional DL ... hence seperate records should be kept for it.

Kinda like a C&J and a Snatch both involve putting a barbell over your head, but they're different lifts.

Not sure why powerlifters have such a tough time with this concept.

Doc Iron wrote:
Sigh ...

Doesn't really matter if it's easier or harder (that's going to depend on the individual).

Bottom line is that it's a different lift from a conventional DL ... hence seperate records should be kept for it.

Kinda like a C&J and a Snatch both involve putting a barbell over your head, but they're different lifts.

Not sure why powerlifters have such a tough time with this concept.

Incorrect analogy. The C&J and snatch are different exercises, and described as such in the IWF rule book. There is no such differentiation made in any PL rule book. Hence they are not considered different exercises by the feds.

A more correct analogy would be if the IWF banned the split in the C&J because it was easier for some. It would still be a C&J, but people would not have the choice to use the style they were most comfrotable with.

Separate records? What a weird statement. Look at the top 10 dl of all time or each wt class and see if it is dominated by the "easier" method or "real" men... In fact hasn't there only been a single sumo dl over 900?

Wonder if Tim was recently out pulled by a sumo lifter?

pick which one your better at and stop complaining ,i deadlift conventional and i personally think sumo is hard as hell.i wish people would stop whining about such stupid things just lift and set some new PR's

The conventional deadlift is absolutely murder on the lower erector muscles and vertabrae of the back. Anyone who has ever switched to it will tell you how much safer it is to do so. HOWEVER it does not make the lift any easier! It's just a preference. I can't think of one individual who pulls over 900. If you could...there would be ONLY ONE! Look at the Top 20 deadlifts of all time. Tim Harold Jr of Westside Barbell is the closest Sumo puller with an 855. Let's not get carried away Mr Bruner, the sumo-deadlift isn't destroying any record books by "cheating". It is saving many lifetime back injuries. The "conventional" deadlift is, with 100% accuracy, the most UNCONVENTIONAL and illogical way to lift anything. Your doctor and physical therapist would be appalled at the damaging technique! Your arguement is plain foolishness!

Sumo 876 OD Wilson USPF Seniors 89

I'm a die-hard conventional puller. That being said, sumo is way more difficult for me. To me both style are valid, and it depends on the individual lifters' physiology and biomechanics.

Hoss wrote:
I'm a die-hard conventional puller. That being said, sumo is way more difficult for me. To me both style are valid, and it depends on the individual lifters' physiology and biomechanics.

I am the same. I can't lift nearly as much sumo. It just depends on the person and how they are built. The movement is different, but the outcome is the same. You lift the weight from the ground to lockout. If it is easier to pull sumo, THEN PULL SUMO. That isn't what I call rocket science, it is pretty simple do whatever you have to do to get a big lift and three whites. What next, are you going to complain about a wide/narrow stance for the squat? Work hard and lift more than your competition. Powerlifting is about technique as much as it is about brute strength.

you need more flexibility pulling conventional? LOL since when? I can understand the belly getting in the way for some people pulling conventional, but you are required way more flexibility pulling sumo, especially ultra wide. It requires a lot more concentraion and technique. Like most people already said it is just a preference and for some it is a harder lift and for others it's easier. It's okay to have an opinion, but basing it on false claims and illogical thinking you sound like a fool.

7. 909.4 (412.5) *3.17X 308 (140) Maxim Podtynny (Russia/72) 12/10/01 (412.5 kg. @ 130.0 kg. Heaviest sumo deadlift of all time.) (Nyagan, Russia) (IPF)

straight from the records on this site.

on the surface it may seem as if sumo is easier because of the reduced ROM. however, as several people have stated, most of the top deadlifts of all time were done convo. benni, konstantinovs, bolton all pulled convo.

Brunner takes steroids yet complains about people taking the easy way out by deadlifting sumo.

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