Top 100 Lists

In addition to compiling the top 20 historical records and rankings lists, powerlifting statistician Michael Soong tracks the top 100 peformances in every weight class. I'd like to feature these top 100 lists here at Powerlifting Watch.

The lists would include the all-time top 50 U.S. and top 100 World, squats, benches, deadlifts and totals for each weight class. They would be updated on a monthly basis.

In order to compensate Michael for his time gathering the information and putting it in a usable format for the web, I'm considering charging a nominal $1/month fee for access to these lists. Would you be interested in having access to the top 100 lists for a $12/year charge? Feedback?

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Cool. Do it.

yes!

So Soong takes the data, provided by PLUSA, and puts it in an easy format for everyone to look at. And you want to charge for something that I already get in my PLUSA?

Charge for it once, and I promise it will be all over the boards. Much like new music or good porn, no one pays for it anymore. I just think it would be tough to get anyone but a few to actually pay a fee. The guy does a great job though.

Is it possible to get age group breakdowns within weight divisions for us old guys? Just maybe a top 10.

No. I agree with the one poster above. It would be copied and shared. I don't have a PLUSA subscription, I catch up on the past year issues when they give out the magazine at MEETS.

not a bad idea, I would pay...but that being said, once the lists are up, it would be tough to prevent copying.

Anonymous wrote:
So Soong takes the data, provided by PLUSA, and puts it in an easy format for everyone to look at. And you want to charge for something that I already get in my PLUSA?

He does not take the data from Powerlifting USA.

Powerlifting Watch would have every weight class, every month. Quite different than what's provided in the magazine.

I guess you're a no then?

Vince wrote:
Is it possible to get age group breakdowns within weight divisions for us old guys? Just maybe a top 10.

It's possible, but not currently tracked to my knowledge.

Being that the powerlifting community is so small, and the likelihood of being found illegally republishing the data very high, would copying really be that great a concern?

c'mon jon. yes it would be. how small is small? 10,000? we're all skin flints. all it takes is for one person to buy it and then it gets copied to another board, then another and so on. look at how vids get passed around, although there is nothing illegal about that, you see my point

Is Soong going to have separate top 100 lists for single ply orgs (USAPL, AAU, NASA, USPF) along with top 100 for multiply orgs?
If not, why not? Why mix apples and oranges. I'm tired of the inflated numbers from multiply, monolifting orgs!

I have to agree with the above posts. You will have to have drug tested records vs non drug tested. Single ply records. Unlimited records also for feds that allow unlimited equipment. WNPF i believe. I would not pay 12 dollars to see records compared with a non drug tested vs a drug tested fed. I think we all know whos numbers are going to be bigger. If all feds had one standard then yes I would pay 50 dollars to keep track of a list that had one set of rules and if it was or was not tested. Geared or no Gear but untile powerlifting units under one big fed then i feel this would not go over well. Not to say that people wouldnt pay for it. To me it just wouldnt hold its water.

i definitely agree with the two posts above and would pay for that information and know of quite a few people who would pay also

I would not.

count me in.

Anonymous wrote:
c'mon jon. yes it would be. how small is small? 10,000? we're all skin flints. all it takes is for one person to buy it and then it gets copied to another board, then another and so on. look at how vids get passed around, although there is nothing illegal about that, you see my point

I do see your point and do understand. Maybe I'm being a bit naive.

Anonymous wrote:
Is Soong going to have separate top 100 lists for single ply orgs (USAPL, AAU, NASA, USPF) along with top 100 for multiply orgs?
If not, why not? Why mix apples and oranges. I'm tired of the inflated numbers from multiply, monolifting orgs!

If you want those lists go to each of the organization's websites. A single ply list is no more all apples than the typical top lists. Others will want a single ply drug tested list. Then a single ply, drug tested which doesn't allow benching on ones toes. Get my drift?

Thom W. wrote:
I have to agree with the above posts. You will have to have drug tested records vs non drug tested. Single ply records. Unlimited records also for feds that allow unlimited equipment. WNPF i believe. I would not pay 12 dollars to see records compared with a non drug tested vs a drug tested fed. I think we all know whos numbers are going to be bigger. If all feds had one standard then yes I would pay 50 dollars to keep track of a list that had one set of rules and if it was or was not tested. Geared or no Gear but untile powerlifting units under one big fed then i feel this would not go over well. Not to say that people wouldnt pay for it. To me it just wouldnt hold its water.

This is the way it's currently done and it is a very popular feature in Powerlifting USA.

I lift single ply and drug free. And I say put the list up, make it one list like PLUSA does. No need to separate it. It is what it is, the TOP LIFTS.

yes

Ok..., do it!

Jim

I wouldn't pay for it. The list means nothing anyway.

Here is another issue with the sport. We have two guys, Soong and Jon who want to do something for the sport and ask for a friggin $1 a month and we have guys that can't even muster up enough honor to keep it honest. And to top that off we have guys who want drug-free this single ply that added to the list and bitch that the list isn't kept that way. Can't we just all be grateful that we even have someone like Mr. Soong that unselfishly and with out reward performas a service for our sport? As far as the lists go screw the drug free single ply hoopla, the sport is about lifting the most weight no matter your take on gear it's here to stay get in it or get out of the way. If you think you are so much stronger than a guy in single gear then get into multi-ply for a meet and get your name on the list as simple as that.

For what it's worth, I appreciate your work for and dedication to the sport of powerlifting Mr. Soong. And Jon I still think it's a good idea and I'm sure there are several people out there that feel the way I do about this topic.

I would pay $1, WTF. I'm a poor retired cop, but I can afford $1 and so can most everyone else. If you can't affort it, you can't afford to compete, so you won't be on the list anyway. As for the people wanting seperate lists for "drug free" & "limited gear" or "raw", the Federation the lift is made in is listed. While not actually indicating anyone is drug free or wearing multi-ply gear, it at least gives you an idea of what that lifter had available for that lift.

i would pay

Have TWO different list One for single PLY and One for multiply. This is a yoke too have this TWO style on the same list

Anonymous wrote:
Have TWO different list One for single PLY and One for multiply. This is a yoke too have this TWO style on the same list

What about the raw guys? What about the drug free guys? Don't you see what you're asking? It's really at least six lists that are needed. Then others will want those lists further broken down. Right now Michael Soong isn't receiving appropriate compensation for one list, much less six.

jon wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Have TWO different list One for single PLY and One for multiply. This is a yoke too have this TWO style on the same list

What about the raw guys? What about the drug free guys? Don't you see what you're asking? It's really at least six lists that are needed. Then others will want those lists further broken down. Right now Michael Soong isn't receiving appropriate compensation for one list, much less six.

And when does it end?

I like what Brad says:

brad v wrote:

Here is another issue with the sport. We have two guys, Soong and Jon who want to do something for the sport and ask for a friggin $1 a month and we have guys that can't even muster up enough honor to keep it honest. And to top that off we have guys who want drug-free this single ply that added to the list and bitch that the list isn't kept that way. Can't we just all be grateful that we even have someone like Mr. Soong that unselfishly and with out reward performas a service for our sport? As far as the lists go screw the drug free single ply hoopla, the sport is about lifting the most weight no matter your take on gear it's here to stay get in it or get out of the way. If you think you are so much stronger than a guy in single gear then get into multi-ply for a meet and get your name on the list as simple as that.

For what it's worth, I appreciate your work for and dedication to the sport of powerlifting Mr. Soong. And Jon I still think it's a good idea and I'm sure there are several people out there that feel the way I do about this topic.

I'm a raw guy, single ply guy and support drug testing..., but in order to reach a level of confidence in each other and present a unified front to others, you have learn to respect the efforts of others.

This is a great opportunity for many to throw aside federation allegiances and be powerlifters for a change.

And for $1 a month, I'm eager to see where this ride will take me ;)

Jim

raw not tested/single ply not tested/double ply not tested/unlimited not tested/raw tested/single ply tested/double ply tested/unlimited tested/special olympics not tested/special olympics tested/gay tested(actually had a national meet, usapl i think)/gay not tested/firemen tested/firemen not tested/police tested/police not tested/handicap tested/handicap not tested.
not even counting:
teen
junior
submaster
masters 1
masters 2
masters 3
masters 4
then you have to double these
cuz we forgot the womens divisions for these.
That would be 50 different lists!!!!!!!!!!

just do one.

oh yeah

then: flatfooted not tested single ply masters 1 special olympian no belly benching but you can raise your head , but you cant have too much arch division

point is: it could get out of hand

:)

Of course Priest is at the top of his class, and thusly is not worried about breaking it down to us mere mortals.

heres somin for yall get stronger and stop bitching and you will make the list

With all the feds having different rules how can you compare lifters to each other???? Now feds are complaining of to much arching in bench. Feds complaining about what is proper depth. 1 ref 2 refs 3 refs what is the standard of this list??? Before I would pay or even be associated on this list as a lifter I would like to know what the actual standard is. Everyone raw or geared or what??? With all the attacks i see on here about this one competing in this fed this one not being drug tested that one only has one ref. Lets think of ways to unify for one list that every one will like. Also if the list in already in powerlifting usa is there anything about copy rights that will be an issue???

i wish i was at the top of the lists. lol

my point was that if you cater to what everyone would qualify then there would be 60+ lists.
that is alot of work for one guy to do for a $1.

i used to feel strong about tested/raw/geared/age debates. but one day i figured i just needed to work harder to get my numbers up. and i realized that strong is strong.
wheather it be tested/non tested/raw/geared/age specific i have respect for anyone who busts their a$$ and puts up a good number.

Thom W. wrote:
Also if the list in already in powerlifting usa is there anything about copy rights that will be an issue???

If the lists were copies of the PLUSA lists there would be a copyright infringement issue. Just like anyone copying Soong's list would be infringing upon his copyright.

I, SAY THE LIST IN POWERLIFTING USA AND LIST COMPETED BY THE YOUR FEDERATION(S) ARE ENOUGH. TOP LIST ARE FOR EVER CHANGING DEPENDING ON YOUR FEDERATION(S). TOP YOUR FEDERATION(S) LIST, RAW,SINGLE-PLY, MULTI-PLY, OR UNLIMITED. DRUG TESTED OR NOT FEDERATION(S). JUST COMPETE SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE "GYM LIFTS DON'T MEAN SQUAT TILL YOU HIT THE PLATFORM." NO, NEW LIST NEEDED AT THIS TIME WITH SO MANY FEDERATION(S) TO CHOOSE FROM....NO.NO.NO........

I have absolutely no interest in those lists (or any others, for that matter) so I wouldn't pay. I lift for self improvement, so what others lift is irrelevant to my goal.

I would love to see the lists, I have a link where he used to have the lists but they haven't been updated there since late 2005.

I think it's worth a dollar a month.

Its nice Soong puts the effort into creating these top 100 lists but he should have saved his time and did something else more productive cuz this is too much of a divisive issue. Let each federation develop their own top 100. We don't need an all time top 100 list because its not ACCURATE. It means nothing therefore there's no need for Jon to set up this fee to see it.

It is 100% accurate. While it may not be as meaningful as if each federation competed under the same rules, it is nevertheless meaningful given certain caveats.

jon wrote:
It is 100% accurate. it is nevertheless meaningful given certain caveats.

Those are the operative words, "certain caveats"

It is what it is. Accept it or reject it I guess.

some feds wont have that much of a top 100.

one list is great because you can match yourself up with someone else and try to climb the list.
it might even motivate someone to try different feds.

This guy could make alot of money doing this. He could pay for his cable bill (75 people sign up per month) or pay is morgage (1500 people sign up per month). He is apparently a statistican who loves powerlifting and keeping powerlifting stats is a hobby of his. Not very many people are getting any bills paid from powerlifting endevors so I think that if he does do a list he should go all out and do a list of MAJOR subcategories, like tested/untested, raw/equipped, single/mulitply. Just like any business that is starting up, make a quality product that is affordable and you will make $$$. I would only imagine that the more categories that he has compiled the more lifters that he will appeal to. I sure, a lifter who just wants the "heavist lifts" will not sign up just because there broken up (which you still could have a list of the heavist lifts as well), but you will have people not signing up just because their subcategory is not recognized. Come on Michael, it's all about the bengi's. You put your time in, I think you'll make $$$.

I think the lifters have a right to view records list without paying. Especially since most will see it anyway on plusa. But he does do a good job, and I would probably pay. It is not that much money. Why not run it for awhile, and then check the hits on it? Then maybe include a fee later on.

There is TONS of info on this site and all free!

Agreed on record holders. It's part and parcel with any sport. But record lists or yearly top lists is something above and beyond.

jon wrote:
:)

I knew a guy in that division, but he was a cross-dresser. Does he count?

http://www.goodlift.nm.ru/Top100AllTheTime.htm

Anonymous wrote:
http://www.goodlift.nm.ru/Top100AllTheTime.htm

Those lists aren't updated so they aren't accurate or useful.

Who cares if they are handicap tested or not? Raw lifting is where it's at. Shirts are for girls.

sounds good

I'll pay, your site is good for powerlifting. Sounds. great give it a go.

do it Jon. If its working with the raw it will work for this. I have gotten copies of Micheals reports and they are exhaustive. i know it takes alot of work.

to some guy that says u have the PLUSA top 100, theirs is only for the year, Soongs list is the all-time numbers, not just for the ones who competed this year. he has every weight class, best 20 lifts and total by coeffient. its the absolute easiest way to keep track of numbers and records.

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