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Did He Say A 1,500 Pound Deadlift?
Submitted by admin on December 4, 2006 - 7:25am.
The original poster:
In response to Andy Bolton breaking the 1,000 pound barrier in the deadlift, posters at the WannaBeBig forum are tossing around the question of how far humans can possibly push the records in powerlifting.
The original poster:
do you guys think it is possible to get to 1000 lb RAW bench?
1500 lb raw squat
1500 lb raw deadlift??
are these numbers too far off?? honestly, about where do you think it will stop or is there no way of knowing???
aside from gene altering that is.....
I don't think its possible.
But maybe someone just hasn't done it yet.
The limit is pretty much there without an alteration in equipment or gear. I doubt we will see much more.
As for the raw limit I think it is in the 900s.
IMO, people naturally are not as strong as they were years ago (anderson, cyr, ect) back then it was just the person and odd heavy objects, tons of food, crazy lifting, as for a 1000 raw bench, i dont that is gonna happen anytime soon, same for the deadlift or squat.
The body was designed to be capable of certaint things, a 1000 pound raw benchpress probably isnt one of them.
The body just isnt designed to move those kinds of #'s, joints and things like that just give up.
I don't think we'll ever see more than an 800 raw bench, 1,100 raw squat, or 1,000 raw deadlift. I think that is about the limit of strength for natural humans i.e. without gene altering or the like.
The sky is the limit... As we figure out more better training programs and suppliments (legal), I am sure the maximums will continue to go up, though at a very slow rate. 50 years from now, I am pretty sure Botan's 1003 DL will be broken... By how much? Maybe only a few pounds, but in time... Records are meant to be broke and all of them eventually are if the sport continues on with the same rules and regulations
I don't believe there is a limit, as technology progresses we will lift heavier,wheater it be more natural or unnatural.
1,500 squat possible
1,500 Bench possible
1,100 dead lift, possible.
Without some form of super-extreme breeding, a complete breakthrough in supplements, or greatly improved equipment, I think the numbers that are being pushed now are relatively close to where they are going to be for decades, maybe even centuries. I don't think any of the lifts will be improved by more than about 10%.
Given that humans have been getting taller and heavier on average over the last several thousand years (take a look at medieval beds in Europe, they were short), I believe that each successive generation will have a better chance at breaking previous records. However, natural selection doesn't play much of a role nowadays, so I could be wrong.
Sure, the equipped records will continue to go up as technology improves, but their are limits of completely raw, natural, genetically unaltered human strength. It's limited by our body structure, hormones, lifespan, and bodily processes. Unless those change through continued genetic improvement of the species over many hundreds of years, as betastas alluded to, the limits will only increase incrementally, and at an exponentially slower and slower rate.
The raw deadlift record hasn't improved in decades. The raw squat record is also many years old. It took 15-20 years for Mendelsohn to finally break the raw bench record set by Ted Arcidi. It will likely be many more before his is broken, unless he does it himself.
The fact is, raw lifting isn't contested as much anymore, and unless it makes a comeback, we may never know the potential of true human strength as demonstrated by the truly elite powerlifting community.
Maybe we'll discover a plant which makes us super human, and be able to do insane deads...
IDK, but I do not believe it is right or proper to put a limit on what is possible of humans to achieve.
Another thing to think about is people that have done amazing feats when the situation occurred being it life or death etc. For example, an old lady lifting a car to save her husband. I've seen one of a guy lifting a helicopter up off one of it's sides so his trapped buddy could get out from underneath it. Of course both of those feats are contributed to adrenaline. But imagine if we were able to tap into that. So you take a guy benching 500 raw that some how taps into his adrenaline, I can only imagine what he could do.
Gear is the curve ball here, and im not talking roids so much as shirts,suits,wraps , and belt.
People have been known to get tremendous gains out of a shirt (I suspect that I would be one of them) while others get mediocre 10-30 pounds gains over their unequipped 1RMs. So if some guy with freak triceps, shoulders and lats finds the right shirt and the right people to train with the guy could easily wind up benching 200-300+ pounds more then he would have the ole fashion way.
Some of that is true, and a lot of it is rumour and myth. We have all heard of "the old lady" or "the mom" who pulled the car off their "husband/child/parent/etc.", but it is always something heard, never reported. Adrenaline is important, but there is still a maximum mechanical load that a body can lift, push or pull.
1500 pounds being held up with the ligaments and bones from a human elbow and hand? I would have to look this up to see if ones body can handle this much weight.
The body is NOT made to handle it.
Anyones do single ply suits really make a difference?
I might need to get one and start getting used to it
1,500 Lbs being held up with a squat suit believable.
I know some people who don't know world records that would doubt 1,100 in squat could be done.
Frankly I feel with each generation we will meet a new freak of nature. Look at Mark Henry, he wasted a lot of his career losing weight. Imagine if he would of simply kept lifting? As a different poster said he broke world records, and as I understand it he broke the deadlilft world record with one month of training.
Imagine if someone such as him just as strong as him trained dedicated.
Look back... not even a thousand years, but a hundered years.
Think of the advancements in little over a century
What could happen in another century?
The impossible today... it will be the warm up of tommorow.
The body is only capable of so much, and unless there isn't some major breakthrough deadlifting equipment created to help lifters, I would think around 1200lbs is going to be the limit, and that isn't going to be for a LOOOOOONG time. It's a decreasing exponential curve.
Think of the 100m sprint. The world record is like 8 seconds or something. By your logic, we'll one day be doing it in 6 seconds. I'm sorry, but barring some kind of evolutionary change in the biomechanics of the human body, these things aren't gonna improve much, if at all, for a very long time.
Did people not say the same thing along time ago???
'Humanity has reached its peak'
Why does every generation think it is the best, and the last, the greatest achievers...
Because humanity likes to look back and say 'wow, were alot better' alot more than 'we have so much more that we can do...'
1000lb+ is a ****ING HEAVY weight for the human hand to grasp - and I will state here, at this point of human evolution, that no human hand will have the grip strength required to lift very much more. That is why machines were created; in essence, to do what we cannot.
Fuzzy, you need to learn some things about the body before you state that "anything is possible".
Is a 15,000,000 ton deadlift possible by a human? Hell no.
Will it ever be? Hell no, not by the definition of what a human is by our current standards.
It's good to see that you are optimistic, but you are also greatly misled. K1M is correct, there is a finite limit that the human body can achieve. As a human approaches that limit, it becomes exponentially harder to maintain and to proceed to a higher level. Not linearly.
The human body may or may not further evolve due to evolution. Advances in medical technology have prevented inferior genetics from being passed from the human gene pool. No, I am not asserting that one person is better than another, but that the genes possessed by one person make them a more suitable candidate for survival. Stronger, faster, healthier, bigger, etc. Medical care and society prevents people who are sickly or feeble from dying, and so their genetics are passed into their offsprings. The lack of a weeding process will have genes that are less desirable circulating throughout the population. This is a simplified view, but unless we start selectively breeding the strongest men and women in the world, there likely wont be any significant changes in humanity.
i personally think nothing really has changed much people! what is the record raw bench like 705? 50 years ago it was still in the 600's, kaz did 660, anderson could do 6+. how about the raw squat? guys back in the day did more then the current 800 or so by that young man, we all know anderson squatted 900 raw regulary. and the deadlift well bolton was equipped for 1000 but thats just crazy.
stuff isnt much different, today theres just more roids, more equipment, and less fire then there was back in the day.