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Lifters Appeal to ADAU to Support RUM

The 2010 Raw Unity Meet featured two ADAU lifters, Gleb Epelbaum and Jackson Lee. In the lead up to the meet, federation officials and members questioned their decision to compete in an untested event.

Now, Epelbaum and Lee appeal to the federation, and its lifters, to use next year's event to showcase its talent. They argue that the ADAU's position on testing can be maintained while supporting an untested event. They cite the fact that most of the lifter who competed represented tested federations and that the USAPL even tested most of its lifters at the meet.

Lee:

If a conversation were to break out about the best or most prolific natural powerlifter of all time… an your pick was David Ricks…most knowledgeable lifters would say “Good choice”. If the conversation shifted to the brightest young natural powerlifter…and your choice was Mike Tushscherer…most knowledgeable lifters would again say “Good choice”. Both of these men as well as 12 or 13 time national champion Sioux Hartwig were scheduled to compete at this weekends unsanctioned, non-drug tested RAW UNITY MEET .

Flash forward to met day, this past Saturday at the RAW UNITY MEET. I began to observe a familiar site. Drug testing kits being taken out of the cases. A strange sight at a non-tested meet. As each of the before mentioned irongame stars, and many other USAPL members filed into the Jackson Springs Community Center, they were all led into the bathrooms and given out-of-meet drug test. As I watched, I thought, man that’s a good idea.

Cathy Marksteiner , head of the USAPL out-of-meet drug testing, was staying at the same hotel as I was. We had several conversations on the shuttle to and from the meet and again at a near by restaurant. She expressed that because the USAPL had so many high profile athletes competing at the RUM, that testing it’s athletes out-of-meet was the only way to preserve the integrity of the athlete and thus the organization as well.

I’m not sure if this type procedure would have been a determining factor for any other ADAU lifters who may have wanted to compete, but it’s something to consider. Assuming that they would have hit at least their current PR’s, Benita Steffan would have placed 2nd in the women’s 114’s, Rob Mostoller would have been 3rd in the men’s 308’s, David Blattenberger would have been 2nd in the men’s 181 bench press only and Brad Leonard would have been 4th in the men’s 242 bench only.

All of this could have been accomplished and we could have still kept our drug free integrity intact.

Just an observation about the RAW UNITY MEET and any future participation by ADAU members.

Epelbaum:

A lot of people at the meet would ask me what federation I was lifting with. When I would tell them, most of them responded "never heard of ADAU." Hopefully after this weekend more people know about us. If more people from ADAU show up at these types of venues, our federation will receive more publicity and visibility that it so desperately needs.

Also, despite the fact that there was no drug testing at this event, a large portion of lifters came from drug-tested federations (and, in case of the USAPL lifters, were OMTed on the spot). You can look at the results and see how all the lifters from different federations stacked up and draw your own conclusions, but to me (and I suspect quite a few others) it sends a fairly clear message of how well one can do while lifting in a tested federation against those who are not. So, in a way, Eric's decision not to test and take the "run what you brung" approach did more to show off the strength of drug-tested athletes than anything else. A 50-year old drug-tested master lifter breaking an all-time non-tested record for his weightclass should, in my humble opinion, encourage more lifters to take the drug-free route in this sport.

All in all, I really wish for more representatives from our organization to step out of their comfort zones and participate in this event in the future. I have never been more proud to be outlifted than I was at this meet. In 2009, four 181-lbers in the country totaled over 1500 lbs raw. This past Saturday, there were seven. In one day! We were going into deadlifts with five or six lifters having 2.5 lbs separating their subtotals. THAT is competition. Yet everyone, EVERYONE was nothing but encouraging of each other, cheering each other on, being truly supportive. I already mentioned Mike Lane, a fellow 181er giving me a liftoff on my third bench after I missed my second one. You better believe that I was screaming louder than anyone else for him as he was trying to pull 700 lbs on his last deadlift. And I was fully aware that if he made it, he would place ahead of me. Oh yeah, vast majority of the aforementioned 181-lbers came from tested federations.

In case you couldn't tell from my post, I thoroughly enjoyed my experience at the Raw Unity Meet. Eric did an unbelievable job of putting it together, running it, not to mention lifting on Saturday. I will be back next year, hopefully stronger (the competition will certainly be). I hope other people from ADAU will join me there. This will go a long way in putting our organization out there and, I sincerely hope, helping us grow.

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The solution is simple: if the ADAU doesn't want their lifters to compete somewhere else, then they should provide their lifters with a meet just as good as RUM. Unless and until they do that, lifters can, will, and should look for better options.

Lighten up ADAU-if the USAPL can send their lifters to RUM so can you....just send someone to OMT them just like the USAPL did

Anonymous wrote:
Lighten up ADAU-if the USAPL can send their lifters to RUM so can you....just send someone to OMT them just like the USAPL did

The USAPL didn't "SEND" any they lifters. A number of USAPL lifters were invited to by Eric and some chose to attend.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Lighten up ADAU-if the USAPL can send their lifters to RUM so can you....just send someone to OMT them just like the USAPL did

The USAPL didn't "SEND" any they lifters. A number of USAPL lifters were invited to by Eric and some chose to attend.

Let me rephrase for you since you are too thick headed to understand the meaning...the USAPL didn't bitch about lifters that hold a USAPL card going there then no one should bitch.

Who cares what a federation thinks. If you want to compete in a meet just do it. Any federation is just going to lose membership by banning lifters from competing at other meets. It's not like there's a federation paying anyone enough to live on, and usually nothing more than a small medal or trophy.

I see two solutions. 1) the aau tests their athletes at the meet. OR 2) the AAU trusts that their athletes are competing clean and they don't have to worry about it.

Is it possible that the ADAU doesn't have the quality of raw lifters that other feds have? If they were to show up in numbers and soundly get beaten by the other raw fed lifters then maybe they would be exposed as a second tier fed at best. I don't understand the lifter's loyalty to this fed. Its almost if they have this elitest type attitude about themselves that they are some how better than the rest of us.

Maybe these concerned lifters don't want to risk losing the huge paychecks these other federations are handing out? If you got banned from a certain powerlifting federation, how would you support your family and keep a roof over your head?

Stay Strong,
Sean
HardcorePowerlifting.com

Just for the record

The ADAU does not tell it's lifters where or when to compete.

I, personally, as president of the ADAU, was invited by Eric to participate and decided not to for various reasons, which Eric and I discussed in detail at the USAPL Raw Nationals.

Many of our members are active as lifters and judges in other organizations.

I lifted in several, and had I not gotten sick three years ago, would probably still be competing be doing so today.

Maybe you'll see more ADAU lifters next year at the RUM. It's up to them.

There were actually three of us there. Shawn Nelson was also in the bench press only. It was only his second meet ever and he was so nervous that he threw up just before he lifted (Sorry Shawn).

Back to the ADAU. First and foremost WE WERE NEVER TOLD BY ANYONE FROM THE ADAU NOT TO COMPETE. Several people within the organization voiced their concern over the lack of drug testing, but we were not told not to go.

As to the comment about us possibly being afraid to come down to the RUM for fear that we might look bad, I have only my personal story as a retort. I came down to the RUM weighing 306 lbs. Knowing that even if I deadlifted 600 lbs, at my weight I would still be dead last in the deadlift. I came for the experience, comaradery and to pick the brain of a man who was able to convince elite lifters from all around the country to come to an un-sanctioned meet in his hometown (OK, and to propose to my girlfriend on the world wide web.)

By year end ADAU had 21 lifters eligible to compete in the RUM. That's about 14% of our membership. Per capita our talent base is on par with any other organization and above all of them when it comes to drug testing ratio. But none of that really matters. Everybody needs to get in where they fit in. We like our rules, our drug testing procedures and our leaders. It's a good fit for us, as I'm sure other peoples organizations are a good fit for them.

In my comments on the forum I was simply giving another option for anyone who was qualified to attend the RUM but had reservations about the lack of drug testing.

For the record, there is no rift between any of us who competed in the RUM and the ADAU leadership. My loyalty to my organization can be summed up in one sentence; The ADAU is where I have brought my children to learn about the sport of powerlifting.

Jackson Lee

Wow, did this whole thing get blown out of proportion! I thought I was just sharing a positive experience that I had lifting at the RUM with the other ADAU members. I had no idea I was apparently rallying an entire federation...

All I was REALLY doing was giving my perspective to the whole issue of lifting in an untested event in addition to giving kudos to Eric and the lifters who participated in the meet. I figured I would give a post-game wrap-up to other members of the ADAU as well as shine a bit more light on the whole tested/untested issue. As Al and Jackson already mentioned, the federation gives no incentive to compete or not compete in this event, so it is up to each individual lifter to decide if it is something he or she would want to be a part of.

This is old news from september....

isbell wrote:
This is old news from september....

It is new. Give it a read.

adau....the lil train that could

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