New American Federation Launched

33rd federation now in this country, this is just getting out of hand

To be all too easily confused with the already existing European Powerlifting Federation. Sigh.

I actually agree with some of the rules changes they advocate. But wouldn't it have been better to try to get these accepted in an existing fed?

I like the logo, it looks just like the APF shield.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fedsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss wtf is wrong with people

-Abe Harrod

And let me guess all of the comps are going to be in New Hampshire. We dont need more of this stuff.

This is absurd! Do you mean to tell me that those of us with only a 97% lockout will get a no lift? (sarcasm) How is a ref going to tell whether the arm is locked out at 98% or 97% or 96%?

REALLY??........REALLY?????!!!!

If any lifters out there give one shit about Powerlfiting and its future. You will avoid this federation and any other new ones that will follow. There is NOTHING that can't be addressed in the current set of federations.

Stupid. And no one wants to hear the excuse that this fed was formed to give lifters another option to comptete in. WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH F'ING OPTIONS! Actually we already have too many options. 1 raw fed, 1 single ply fed, and 1 multi-ply fed with both tested and non-tested divisions that should be all. But as we all know, this will never happen.

Keep 'em coming please. We've gotta hit rock bottom as a sport before any real change will take place. So let's hurry the free fall along. More feds please. Let's try to get to 100 by the end of the year, so hopefully the recovery process can begin sooner. Sitting back and accepting 32 is worse than the emergence of a 33rd in my opinion.

Is Louie LaPoint the guy who had the big deadlift back in the early 90's?? Pulled in the mid 800's.

I am realy sorry
This is not good for powerlifting.
Powerlifting must have 1 federation to going on Olympic game.

Im sure its nod good for grow powerlifting.

I'm just interested in exactly who is going to determine "98%". That I found interesting. Was that one of the only reasons for forming a completely new fed? On top of that, foot movement is a great way to get injured.... I'm going to check out the website, but I don't see why this makes sense as of yet.

This is awesome... another F'ing donkey show.

I say more feds!There are only 32 feds over here? There should be more all back east.We dont need anymore out here in Calif.

Nothing promotes unity better than creating another federation. We need to merge federations and stop making new ones. This is the only way we'll ever see powerlifting in Olympics.

olympics? hell. no chance of that. takes more money than anybody in PL has to get that to happen.

what we have here is a failure to communicate.

what part of more feds do we need? so you want a crappy lockout of less than full extension - well i'm SURE somebody already has this. and anything else you're angry about....

park your egos and go where they have the rule you want. or propose it where you are.

or quit and buy your own bowling trophies, write some press, and take pics of gym lifts. that's what all this really is any more.

maybe you want someone yelling "all you" and rowing up as well?

i'm waiting for the "all gym lift" federation. take video. post on PW, and award trophies....

Here is what concerns me most, and should most lifters. Of the 33 or so orgs. it appears that only 4 (could be a couple more now) provide any liability insurance to all of their meet directors. Some good meet directors buy a seperate policy. When I lifter is at a meet, they should ask the meet director to show them a copy of the insurance policy.
The smaller the org,generally the smaller the policy.
We are blessed to be part of a huge parent org and thus they give us a $10m policy.
Also I wonder how one determines 98% lockout vs 97%

Hey, all the second place guys need a new fed where they can say they have a record...I mean, no one should lose in this sport and EVERYONE should have a world, state, or national record...in at least one of 33 feds of course...This is just plain absurd. Best of luck to LaPoint, but this is what's making powerlifting more and more less credible. We have enough feds and enough records. Just my opinion.

3 letters in an acronym, assuming the 'P' (for Powerlifting) rests in the 2nd or 3rd position yields 1,352 possible 3 letter combinations. Of course, if we take out the least used letter in the alphabet (Z) then we end up with only 1,250. Of course, it's only a matter of time before the ZOP federation starts up (Zealots Of Powerlifting). Although the AAU and Raw United federations throw the whole theory out the window...

Proudly sponsored by Titan Support Systems Inc.

Don't call it a powerlifting fed if there's no SQUAT! And why do we need another fed anyway. There are already other Push/Pull and specialist feds.

Jon, you have become an enabler by posting this information and giving this new org publicity.

Why not just call it the New Hampshire powerlifting federation? I didn't even know New Hampshire put on meets.

I wonder if they will run world championships

this is stupid

No, politics can't be overcome,which is why we have so many Feds. Besides the more feds the more options we have but all we can hope for are events like RUM to show unity and the strongest lifters.

Jeff Hackett.

Jeff Hackett

While you may not like a new federation why should any of the people here have the right to say who can and can not start a new federation. The 33rd federation has the same right as the first and second fed to go their own way.

Anyone who thinks powerlifting is going to be in the Olympics is dreaming. Bowling and badminton have greater chances. If you want to lift weights and be in the Olympics then be an Olympic lifter.

Or you could learn curling.

The state of Powerlifting has just gotten too goofy for words.

this

DH

This is really taking the mickey. A federation which allows people who cannot fully lock out a bench press compete in the bench press? So here we appear to have the first federation which will allow benches not to be locked out.

Great! That's just the kind of credibility powerlifting need!

And who cares about squats either? "If we're going to allow, plainly in the rules, for benches that aren't locked out, we're almost certainly going to end up having squats that are several astronomical units higher than parallel. So we'll just omit the squat - 1/3rd of powerlifting. Besides, squats are much harder than a 98% locked out bench press."

Oh dear, powerlifting continues to go downhill...

On a side note, the bench press and deadlift are part of powerlifting, period. Most people aren't going to walk up to you and say,"How much you squat?" No, how much ya bench. Saying,"It's not powerlifting if there is no squat" is a matter of opinion and like saying Paul "Tiny" Meeker sucks compared to Ed Coan. I for one like WABDL the most and excell at bench and deadlift, so I compete in a PP-specific fed that has credibility as well as drug testing. That doesn't mean I don't squat. My PR for squat, with just a belt, is 500, and 570 with 2m wraps (never tried a squat suit) and I have vids to prove it. But I just don't care for it as much as BP and DL. This year I'll give NASA and USAPL full meets a try. Give respect to the PL, DL, and BP guys all around. Just my 2 cents on it.

No, those are facts.

A bench/deadlift meet is a push/pull meet or a single lift meet or a power bench and deadlift competition. Benching and deadlifting are two parts of powerlifting.

And he does.

Stay Strong,
Sean
HardcorePowerlifting.com

No, it will just be the first federation that states IN WRITING that it allows unlocked benches to pass.

It's only a matter of time before world records are broken in this fed by virtue of un-locked-out benches.

The point I was making is that guys like Meeker or, even Kennelly, would call themselves powerlifters. While Coan is great (THE great of course), telling those guys they suck because they don't do the full meet is assinine.

I am only going to say one thing about the proliferation of federations in powerlifting. Why does anyone think this is an acceptable state of affairs? What the hell is it about powerlifting that a situation like this is permitted to continue? There is no other sport, large or small, in which it is seen as ok for there to be multiple federations, all with different rules or standards. As a former collegiate track athlete, if I started a track federation where we measured our shot puts on the roll instead of where it hit the ground, would anyone take that seriously? No-why is powerlifting any different?
This is not a complex sport. There should be one federation, and it doesn't really matter whether it's tested/non or how much gear people use. It's far more important that the best lifters go head-to-head, which currently they do not. It is sad, and it lessens the achievements of every lifter involved in this sport, because we do not see the best compete against each other, because of divided federations. None of us can even answer the question, "Who is the strongest powerlifter in the world," with a decent answer! Because we don't know! And you can blame federations for that.

As a sidebar to what I posted above, I also blame the lifters who cannot see fit to compete in more than one "standard" of lifting. As a competitor, your desire to beat the best should override concerns like drugs, gear, having to travel, judging, etc. If you are so wedded to the particular style of lifting you prefer, as to have no desire to challenge anyone else, and cross fed boundaries, well, you probably aren't much of a lifter at all. For a sport which is supposedly so much about pride,self-improvement, and challenging your limits, there seems to be a clear lack of any of those things in todays PL scene.

I've always heard Kennelly refer to himself as a bencher.

I don't think Meeker sucks because he doesn't do full meets. That's not what I was saying in reply to your initial remark.

I don't think single lift or double lift specialist suck at all. Right now I'm promoting a pro push pull competition !

Stay Strong,
Sean
HardcorePowerlifting.com

Well, that's more an issue with the judges, not the federations. You could say that it's up to the federations to use better judges, and I'd agree with you 100%.

Woops, would just like to say the above comment was by me again, in reply to Sean. I'm new to commenting here and forgot to add my name.

Third federation created since feb. 14, 09. Just a cursory glance through past post. Everybody wants a world record. I can't beat the top guys in the 220s who compete raw as I do right now, but I'm not going to go out and start up a fed so I can win. I'm going to work my ass off so I can win. This is worse than any gear vs. raw debate, did he lock it or not debate, etc. Losing is part of life. Winners didn't start the winners. They started on the bottom and worked hard.

The vast majority of lifters around the World are content to challenge themselves against true World competition in the only real World Federation and see no need to compete in more than one Federation.

Actually in the majority of the World there only is one powerlifting Federation and the best lifters from all around the World do go head to head

Calling this new fed stupid is the same argument that says guns are the cause of violence. Isn't it us lifters causing the situation? If we would stick with one of a handful of feds there wouldn't be 47 or whatever feds. It will eventually self-correct like having a Starbucks on every corner corrected.

Its true there are a lot of Orgs but this America
so its probably a waste of time to think that it will ever change

It seems to me that the more feds there are the more lifters will participate, so let there be thousands of feds. Who cares? Then you just break them down into four groups:
Raw - tested and untested
Equipped - tested and untested.

No limit on the equipment you wear, since anything that's not raw is letting gear do part of the work for you and it doesn't matter to anyone if you wear canvas, denim, polyester or kevlar.

Then you let a neutral body like Powerlifting Watch receive results and maintain a list of rankings. At the end of the year PLW certifies one fed to host a national or world championship open to the top 10 ranked lifters in each class and everyone agrees that that's the only worlds there is. At the worlds there will be only one set of judges, so the playing field will be level. The rest of the year, go crazy with your high squats, your unlocked benches, your coil-spring lifting underwear and what have you.

Too many backyards and way too much time .

3 or 4 feds gives everybody a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If money is the object contact one fed and have a meet.
Treat all the same (which is respect and honor_)'
Everything for the lifter(cause they are your customer)'
But have standard rules and make all abide by them
And build up your entries from word of mouth and advertising.
If you do that you will do pretty good,if not maybe running a whole fed might not be a good idea?
Just think you get a red light for uneven ext and then a big name guy does the same thing you did and GETS RED LIGHTED ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For example in wrestleing the main fed is WWE
But there is over 400 indy feds out there.
Those indys draw 15-200 fans,but if there was just a few or for god sakes 10 they would draw great
And each indy fed has a world champion 3-400 of them.
How legit is that?

I know power lifting isnt the WWE or or have 350 world champs,but if it keeps up ,who knows~
(lol) a buddy of mine holds a world title and he has never wrestled out of his own state or out of his own town for that matter(lmao)

- You are not a triathlete if you don't swim,
- You are not a heptathlete if you don't long jump,
- You are not a powerlifter if you don't squat.

I don't care what you do in the gym: the sport of powerlifting is about competing in a combined total of three lifts. Not that there is anything wrong with specialising; hell, I did it myself for two decades. But let's not devalue the concept of true PL even further than it has already gone.

Of course, as benchers I have the utmost respect for them, since they are both truly elite there.

allow foot movement on bench!!! what a joke

Make it 34 feds.
We just formed the Internet International Powerlifting Fed. You don't even have to lift anything, just log on and describe what you're capable of. We're holding our first Worlds tonight. If you miss it, don't sweat, we're holding another one tomorrow. World records are falling so fast we can't keep up!

(Our Raw division is open to anyone who still uses a dial-up internet connection and Windows 98.)

Lapoint once allowed a lifter to compete with a pillow under his butt. The lifter had a small ass and claimed it was
impossible to keep his butt on the bench. So, Lapoint allowed him to lift with a pillow under his butt.

This new federation should bring some credibility to the sport - hell yeah!

So far Lapoint has been booted from the state chairman position with 2 federations. When you keep screwing up and getting
caught just go out and form your own federation and be king of the hill in your back yard.

This is the same guy who ran a meet and claimed it was sanctioned by one of the feds. Long story short we all lost money buying membership cards for a meet that the federation never authorized him to run. Nor did that fed see any membership dues.

I see where you're coming from and agree with that.

Upon first reading about this new federation(federation of some kind of lifting,not powerlifting)I thought this might be a troll "tongue-in-cheek" prank.Too many federations aside,the real problem,as I see it here,is the watering down of the sport into something that makes no sense at all.Powerlifting grew out of some lifters need to test pure strength who did not have the skill set and/or desire to perform the complex movements offered in Olympic lifting.Now apparently,powerlifting has either become too complex for some lifters to perform, current gear prevents the lifters from performing the lifts according to the rules and/or lifters are too lazy to train hard and perform the lifts the way the rules intended.We bend the lock-out rule,allow the feet to flop around at free will,what next?If we want to call this kind of lifting by some name other than powerlifting,I am all for it.It would not be my choice to lift this way,but hey,each to his/her own.Just do not call it powerlifting.

To unify the sport, I propose the DWEYWTPF "Do What Ever You Want To Powerlifting Federation"

When lifters walk up to the plateform they will hand copies in triplicate to the judges, listing whatever rules they wish to lift by.

As long as no one else in your age group, weight class, division, etc. lifts by the same rules you will be declared WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!

Will the equipment division be allowed to use voice recognition software? That way, something artificial can type in the lifts for them while they talk about what they think they're keyboard lifting on their own.

Dial up... Windows 98... That's not raw. For a true test of raw imaginary lifting, I am planning on setting up a landline number (none of this high-tech cell phone crap) with a cassette tape-based answering machine (digital=not raw), where people can call and leave a detailed message of what they could lift if they wanted to. I guess I will have to start my own federation for that, huh? HLPIF (Hypothetical Lift Phone In Federation).

Good question, Sean. We tried doing that, but wouldn't you know, some guy with a speech impediment challenged the judges when they redlighted him. They reversed their decision after he explained he can only get about 85% of his usual vocabulary to come out right. We only allow that now if the lifter is unable to say, "I'm not the pheasant plucker, I'm the pheasant plucker's son. I'm only plucking pheasants till the pheasant plucker comes."

The IPF worlds is already there.

of all the things ive ever hear on this forum about feds, lifts being passed and what ever else everyone cries about, i think this is the most correct statement ive heard

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just crapped my pants

NEW INVENTION:
I have developed and am currently marketing the "Lock Out Protractor." The device is portable and made of clear plexiglass and can easily be employed by the head referee and side judges in any bench press contest. One simply has to align the "zero line" with the lifter's humerus (referee/judge discretion as to where the humerus begins at the shoulder and terminates at the elbow) and then align the approximate line of the radius bone with the angle shown by the "Lock Out Protractor" at the completion of the lift. An angle of 176.4 degrees (or 3.6 degrees if the head referee gets confused and holds the protractor backwards or upside down) will be cause for a good lift. An angle of 176.5 will get the lifter red lights. Submit orders via my website:
www.reallycoolpowerlifting stuff.com
First 100 orders will receive a free kitten or puppy...your choice.

I'm starting a federation for guys with mustaches only

Many issues, everytime a world class lifter feels cheated he runs to his powerlifting circle and wants a new fed. Heres the deal We need only one fed one fed only.It should have drug tested or non tested, it should have single or multiply raw, open, youth, Masters the regular crap.With a panel that governs. This will never happen because powerlifting is based on egos so the lifters will take their ball somewhere else forming new feds I give up.

stop the insanity

Damn, no one has shown up for the MAWPLF meet yet. Must be a bunch of chickens! The Make A Wish PowerLifting Federation. Simply rules, all you have to do is have the bar loaded with whatever weight comes to mind, walk on the platform wearing whatever you want, basic rule, you actually have to grasp the bar, then announce loud enough for the four judges to hear! "Damn, I wish I could lift this!" Four white lights!!!!!
Where are all the Wish I could lift this?" world champions!

A message from the EPF President: Bill Durant
Thank you for all your comments. , I truly agree with most of you. How ever… My reasons for starting the Fed is stronger than my gut feeling. Do we need another federation NO, Do we need a federation to start doing it right for the lifter instead of making a living from it.. YES! Here’s my take... I hope you can see the good in it.
Providing a good website for the lifters is tough. Keeping it updated is expensive trying to offer everything possible to make the website informative, special & current is also pricy. I am a web designer. It cost me ZERO to provide what ever I want. This is a great background to have if you are starting an organization. I have been running APF contest for 25 years. I have seen and tried everything. I have taken all the complaints and ideas & will use them all to create one fed.
There are too many federations that were created just for their state. They don’t plan on being nation wide. We plan on having contests in every state, not just NH. We will be having our first Massachusetts meet May 22nd in Peabody.
Slowly but surely we will move into other states. We have a great reputation for our little state and the contest we put on. We are honest & knowledgeable. We plan on offering low entry fees and memberships. Even our T-shirts will be 50/50 and pre shrunk with high quality printing. Multi colored high quality for under $16.00. also Large trophies. You will never feel ripped off. I sceen lifters handed broken trophies and told by the meet director "Sorry" broke on the way here. To belong to our federation won’t break your bank or your trophy.
We wont hand you a skull trophy with swords because we bought 10000 on sale. geeeesh! We have all the right connection and will share our discounts with any EPF director so they too can keep the fees down & still make a profit.
When you pay $80 to compete in a state meet & 40$ for a membership only to receive a small medal w/no label or even what place you took is crazy! 1st place looks like 5th place. (If they even offer a 5th place) Don’t tell me you shouldn’t care about the trophy because I hear it a lot. We are building our website to show all state records. Each state director will have a webpage on this site that is dedicated to his state records, upcoming events and pictures. You send us the info, we do the work. People like to see their name when they make an accomplishment.
We also provide all the forms including designing your application for your contest. So if you are not computer savvy you don’t have to worry. You only need to print the forms. We also will design a flyer for your contests. Also a step by step how to run your meet. From 15 weeks prior to weeks after the contest. We want all directors to succeed. It only makes the fed look better. Theirs too much to mention what we do for our directors. Read all of the incentive on our website. Insurance…. Great idea… We are looking into this now. Hopefully we can come up with something reasonable.

About the lockout. Someone all ready mentioned this but let me say it. YOU DO IT ANYWAY. I’m just putting it in writing! Ryan Desmond is a great example of this. He blew up 785 lbs at one of our contest. We were APF so we went with their rules. He didn’t get that little click of the elbow…. so he received NO LIFT. Clearly he did the weight. Most people thought he locked out, but we were judging that day & even though his arms were all the way out, his elbows were not bent in to get the “RACK IT” command. He got screwed that day. It doesn’t take power to click your elbows in; it takes power to bench the weight. We will never give a good lift to someone that doesn’t extend his arms all the way. You don’t have to determine 96% or 98%. Just use your common sense.
I have been working on this federation for years! Louie is going to be the national meet director. I am and will be the president. I have seen many good things and bad. I will assure you all that their will be NO PILLOWS under anyone’s butt. Louie is a good guy who has helped many. However…I will be making all the calls on what you can & cant do at the meet. I’m the nicest prick you will ever meet. I make decision that are fair, not sympathetic. I have red lighted more friends in contests than anyone I know. I don’t care who you are… Do it right or be red lighted.
I am also going to be the head judge for all NH contests. And to respond to the person about Louie not sending in memberships is BS. I could talk crap about a friend who bought the APF who is a great guy, but poor owner but we are starting out fresh. Time will tell if we will stand behind our word. So don’t hate, just wait!
We don’t need another federation like most…We need a federation that does it right & still makes it about the lifter. Watch our website grow and be true to the sport. Oh & we have & always will have full power meets as well as other single contests. Their will be no world meets until we are there. My name is Bill Durant and I vow to succeed so please give us a chance.

How many times is it necessary to reinvent the wheel?
Please rethink this. Another fed isn't needed, and for the most part, not wanted either.