WPF Worlds Results

To bad its over the most fun i have ever had at a worlds. To Steve and everyone that helped a big THANK YOU.

There were some big Master's numbers here!! These guy's were out totaling the IPF Master's Worlds by 100-200lbs....with the same rules..!!

the same rules? I can think of at least one rule that's significantly different...

Briefs allowed, 2.5 meter wraps and ,oh almost forgot, NO drug testing.

Yeah, you could call it 'same rules' if you want.

Just saw the overall team championship Results of the WPF World Championships 09 & its now been cofirmed that Ireland has taken 2nd place to the USA & Iceland have taken 3rd place.

( USA 3263.67 ) ( IRELAND 3035.25 ) ( ICELAND 3018.84 )

On the day of the overall team awards Ireland had been placed 3rd on the podium why i dont know ????

The results are very good and congrates to all those who competed but come on the 220 world champion is barely the same as the USAPl national champion which is a far cry from the IPF world champ. The results in the IPF are hands down higher with no briefs, shorter knee wraps, same day weigh-ins and drug testing. The WPF is a great organization and has some awesome lifters but it can't even be compared to the IPF.

Congrats to all the lifters!!!

Be patient Shane, things could still change, left you a message in FB.

Tim Cochran
USPF Ohio Chairman

That was a sin!!!.......Ireland is just freaking awesome!! No slight to Iceland...but Ireland is a class act!!

An idea for improvement: WPF should try to get instant results posted. Not 2-3 weeks after the meet is over.

Also a live web cast or at least rebroadcast with only a slight delay on the YouTube.

That way WPF can perhaps build some momentum.

The IPF guys are clean. That is why they have a long list of world champions on the list of test failures.

oh my lord, the .5 meter is going to put 500 pounds on your total. good thing you pointed this out.

Good point...This is why I like the USPF/WPF no hypocrites.

I respect that you posted your name. I think the USAPL/IPF are great feds and their lifters are some of the best. I was curious when you stated "the 220 world champion is barely the same as the USAPL national champion." That was a bit misleading. The USAPL National champions total was 1873 and the WPF Worlds champion was 2006 lbs. Don't get me wrong 1873 is a hell of a total and that would have been 3rd best, so no disrespect. Like I mentioned your statement intrigued me. I decided to compare the top USA finishers in this meet to the USAPL Nationals. I did that b/c that was the comparison you made. I figured the USAPL would absolutley dominate the USPF lifters. Truth is you look at all the top USA finishers in this meet and compare them to the USAPL champions and it is pretty damn close. I was very surprised. I understand it is apples to oranges b/c of some of the rules. I am not sure how much the rules make a difference but I know they do. As a side note I would be interested to know how many USA lifters actually used the legged briefs. It was a new rule for us and when I tried to use I couldn't. They crunched my nuts and I could not take the pain. I am glad they are gone. I would also like to state that I honestly believe the large portion of the lifters are drug free. Maybe that is naive but no more naive then believing all the tested feds have clean lifters. Regardless, both feds are great and much respect to all the lifters.

24 hour weigh-in makes big difference.

You make a very good point but i forgot that alot of the USAPL national champions from last year decided to forgo this years. They decided instead to compete at the World Games. If you look at the 2008 220 USAPl champion and second place they both totalled over 200. This was the comparison that I was using so I apologize for not realizing that this past year was the championship that they did not compete. And I think that the WPF is a great fed and I dont want to take anything from the lifters. Its just if you look at the IPF world champ vs WPF world champ, the IPF champ is probably going to crush WPF champ.

totaled over 2000 not 200 my apologizes

Simple comparison. Karabel is Best Lifter in the WPF. In the USAPL he was not a top 3 SUPER.

I hate to do this b/c it is silly but I feel compelled. Again, I respect the USAPL lifters and their rules are tougher so it isn't really fair to compare. With that said where are you getting your numbers? Karabel totalled 2414 as a SHW and Bell totalled 2364 @308. The top 2 SHW's @ the USAPL Nats were 2292 and 2160. If you look at the lifter rankings the top 3 SHW's are USPF guys, and that is not even including Bell or Hoskinson who are 308'ers that both totalled over 2300. Please, please do not musinderstand my statement. I am not saying any of these lifters are better then Harris or Gillingham. Noone can say that b/c the rules are more number friendly in the USPF/WPF. However, to say that with more lifter friendly rules that Karable is not even in the top 3 in the USAPL is just disrespectful and wrong. Fact is he is 150+ lbs higher. Correct me if I am wrong.

The only problem in your comparison is that your using the weight class that arguable the best powerlifter alive bombed in. Brian Siders has scared many powerlifters out of the USAPL SHW.

I didn't bring this weight class up for comparison, someone else did. The statement was Karabel numbers would not have placed him in the top 3 of SHW's in the USAPL. That is just not true. Siders is a great lifter. Let's say that Sider's put up another 2500+lb total this year. Then Karabel would have been second in comparison to USAPL/IPF lifters. Second to argueably the best lifter out there is impressive. The USAPL/IPF doesn't have to justify how good their fed is, the numbers speak for themselves. They are thick with great lifters from light to heavy. But to make things up and poo poo the efforts and results of the top lifters in the USPF is just ridiculous. Truth is the USPF/WPF has done a great job the last couple years attracting some of the big guys, 242+. If you look at the top numbers they compare well. However, the USAPL has ALOT more of the better lifters. that is not a slam on my fed just a fact. Hopefully we can attract some more. Speaking of bombs, Bailey bombed (questionable) @ the USPF Nats. He is an animal that lb for lb might be better then anyone out there. Anyway, I aquiesce that from top to bottome the USAPL has better lifters but that doesn't mean the all the best lifters are in the USAPL.

The USAPL has more clout at this time, but the USPF is on the move again...their meets are growing and attracting more top single ply lifters...the rules and judging standards are close...don"t think there is any tougher judging the the USPF nationals were anywhere at any time.

Yes the USPF does not test, but we all know just like in pro sports it is not hard to beat the test and just a guess, but I would bet the number of those using in both feds would be close. There is no drug free just drug tested.

What you are saying was what I was trying to say. I should have been clearer about the rules. The judging is the same in both feds, tough but usually fair. I think the biggest advantage in the rules is the 24 hour weigh in. The 0.5 wraps difference has minimal signifigance. The groove briefs are useless. The legged briefs might have been beneficial but most of us didn't get a chance to take advantage of them. There was only one meet we could use them and to me it wasn't worth trying to learn them or the $70. The drug testing is a joke and most of know that. Regardless, competition between lifters is good and between feds is good. I see powerlfiting becoming more popular across the board. I am not a whore for any fed. I think most of us second tier lifters lift where the meets are closest and most conveniant. I am looking really forward to doing a raw SPF meet when Bell gets one going in California. And I really want to do an IPA Worlds or Nationals in York PA. I have went to 3 of them when I was home visiting and they are well run and are alot of fun. Bottomline is I hope all the feds grow b/c most of them are good feds. The only way to do this is by attracting more lifters. It is the greatest sport out there. I builds character and teaches people if you work hard you get better.

No doubt Lance is bull strong. No disrespect intended. But when he was under USAPL rules he was not in the top 3 supers. Now that he is under more favorable rules his total may look better against those guys but put him back under those rules and see what happens.

Great work Lance on the win.

I have this bad habit of looking at facts. Truth is that Karabel was ranked 3rd overall, tied with Gillingham, in the SHW's last year behind Siders (USAPL) and Bernor (SSA). That would have made him second in the USAPL SHW's. How much better did he get moving to the USPF? In 2008 he totalled 2331 in the USAPL. This year at USPF Nationals he totalled 2342, an 11 lb differance. He did total 2414 @ WOrlds an 83lb increase. Was it the rules or did he just get stronger? A 3.5% increase on your total isn't unbelievable. Look how much Harris (USAPL) has increased his total in 1 year, 138 lbs. I do not think the incresae is do to more favorable judging for Harris, he just got stronger.

Gary, debating an IPF loyalist is an exercise in futility. Facts don't matter. They feel IPF is the standard and every other federation is inferior. That's fine. Anyone that's been around this sport long enough knows good lifting when they see it, regardless of the federation, and there was some great lifting at WPF Worlds. By the way, congratulations on breaking 1700.

I agree with you...the IPF/USAPL loyalty is strong...cult like even, but that's a good thing you have to believe that your federation is the best or why lift there?

Unfortunately, Lance's name is being brought up here to make a comparison. When Lance was in the USAPL he had some great numbers and now years later with more training he has even better numbers. I don't believe the rules of the USPF/WPF is the big factor in his increasing total, but more so the time and dedication that he has put in his training since his last USAPL meet. Wouldn't you agree?!

Wonderful job Lance!

If you want to make a comparison about USAPL and USPF...lets talk about Liz Freel.

Liz Freel had a 557 Wilks. She was spectacular!
Nice lifting Liz!

I'm merely pointing out that her total went way up in the uspf in comparison to her usapl total. 1031 to 1245 is a big difference!