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IPF General Assembly Proposals

The IPF has published the agenda for the 2009 General Assembly meeting that will take place on November 1 in conjunction with the World Powerlifting Championships in New Dehli, India.

At the 2009 General Assembly, the federation's Constitution and By-Laws can only be changed by a 2/3 majority.

No positions are up for election in 2009.

A number of new proposals will be presented at the meeting.

Germany, Luxembourg, and France propose (3.8a & 3.8b) elimination of the Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) for benchers who cannot fully extend their arms. The IPF currently allows lifters with the proper TUE to complete the bench press up to 15 degrees from a full lockout. The proposals claim that the current allowance are putting other lifters at a disadvantage, are unevenly enforced, make for difficult determinations, and that true medical diagnosis are not always behind the TUE's.

From Germany's proposal: "we have recognized that there is an inflation of athletes (mainly in Bench Press competitions), who are not able to fully extend their arms, whereas they are able to do it at the beginning of the lift and not at the completion of the lift. In 3-lift the same concerned athletes are able to extend their arms at the Deadlift?"

Austria has submitted a proposal (2.1) to change the By-Laws to require all lifters, coaches, referees and officials from each federation to stay in the official hotel during Championships. Those that do not would not be allowed to take part in the meet. The reasons cited for the change: "The organizers have special agreements with the hotels, that they can provide a special room rate for the championship. These rates are only possible, if the organizer has got a high number of people in the hotel. It is also important for the organizer to know, how many rooms he should reserve, because it is always difficult, if he reserve about 300 rooms and than he need 350, or if he reserve 400 rooms and he need only 320. Sometimes, if the organizer does not have the capacity he ordered, he has to pay the rest of the rooms by himself. To stay in the official hotel is international standard and in all other sport federations and it is compulsive to stay in the official hotel."

The NAPF has proposed (3.1) re-adding the women's 97 pound and men's 114 pound weight classes to National, Regional, and Continental Championships. The proposal reads that the Technical Committee did not take into account the large number of countries and regions (specifically Asia, North America, and South America) that have a large number of lifters in those weight classes. The proposal would allow lifters in these weight class to set national, regional and world records at National and Regional Championships.

Luxembourg has made a number of proposals (3.2) for changes to the Technical Rules. First, they want the clause "or is touching the abdominal area" deleted from the definition of when to throw the red card during the bench press. The current wording is: "Bar is not lowered to chest i.e. not reaching the chest or is touching the abdominal area."

Second, they want to disallow all uneven extension rather than just "pronounced and exaggerated uneven extension" during the bench press.

Third, they want downward movement of the bar to be allowed during press of the bench press.

Fourth, they propose allowing foot movement as long as the feet remain flat on the floor.

Luxembourg also proposes (3.4) specific language regarding alterations of bench shirts: "The only alterations that may be made to the supportive shirt designed for bench pressing is a tightening which must be made only on the original seams at the arm area, it should not be allowed to open the original seams. A shortening of the sleeves (arm length) at the supportive shirt should not be allowed. The arm length (sleeves) should not extend under the elbows. The manufactures must specify the original minimum and the maximum arm length of the supportive shirts. Any other doctoring or manipulation to any part of the shirt specifically to that of the neckline or chest area will render the shirt illegal."

In two different proposals (3.7a & 3.7b), Germany and Luxembourg petition for the removal of the 15 degree starting position rule in the squat. Currently, erect is defined as "not leaning forward from the waist more than an angle of 15 degrees". Both proposals find that it is impossible for referees to make such a determination.

Austria proposes (3.9) eliminating the lift off from the bench press. They think that a byproduct of this change would be that it would help prevent the large arches that the IPF is trying to restrict.

In proposal (3.11), France suggests shortening the break between rounds from 20 minutes to 10 minutes to better accommodate television viewers and spectators.

The Athletes’ Commission proposes (3.14) that if a lifting category consists of more than one group, all groups should have the same referees. Further, that if a change of referees is necessary, that the change should be made between lifts. The reasoning is so that all lifters have the same referees during the same lift.

The NAPF proposes (3.15) changing the wording for Technical Rule 9 to ensure that juries can only over-rule platform officials when a unanimous determination is made. Currently, the wording is: "Only in extreme circumstances when there has been an obvious or blatant mistake on the refereeing will the Jury in consultation with the referees, by majority vote, reverse the decision." Their proposal would change that to a 'unanimous' vote. The current wording was inserted without prior approval by the General Assembly.

Germany proposes (3.16) eliminating the ability to set World Records at National Championships. The proposal cites the high cost of the required drug testing and the cost to transport the required equipment to national events.

The Netherlands proposes (3.17.1) holding World Championship once every two years rather than every year.

In one of the more unique proposals (3.17.2), France asks the General Assembly to eliminate the equipped bench press from powerlifting events, substitute it with the raw bench press, and launch a more lenient single lift equipped bench press division.

In today's situation, bench Press as single lift discipline is, in the IPF, but by product of powerlifting, and has not existence of its own. Hence is it very difficult to get it recognized as a genuine discipline, which it is, to the eyes of local governments and to get financial support from local authorities for international competitions.

In order to turn bench Press as a single-lift discipline recognized as a genuine sport, France proposes to get rid of all supportive shirts for Bench Press in powerlifting, while keeping it for Bench Press as single-lift discipline. This measure would make of these two clearly separate sports. Powerlifting (three-lifts) would remain as the reference discipline, registered for World Games, and Bench Press as single lift could evolve as a more dramatic discipline for which rules could be made less strict (bench shirts could evolve, they could be modified more easily than today, etc...).

Lifters who practice these two disciplines are very often very different, and their way of considering the competition is also different. In powerlifting lifters tend to secure their total whereas in Bench Press as single discipline we witness a lot of bombs because lifters risk their all and rather tend to look for a feat.

Other reasons: Bench Shirts have become so hard to put on that warm-ups between squat and Bench Press are no longer long enough.

Bench Press rules are getting more and more complex to enforce. There are differences in the understanding of rules about the legality of some bench shirts (even between people in charge of referees), and lifters keep trying to alter their shirts to have them fit their morphology. Hence do we propose to get rid of the supportive shirt in Bench Press in threelifts and we lighten the burden of rules for Bench Press as single-lift discipline so as to leave more freedom to benchers and to simplify refereeing rules.

Consequences:
This will lead to the writing of two different set of rules: one for powerlifting and one for Bench Press as single discipline.

This would also imply erasing out current records for both powerlifting (three-lifts and total) and Bench Press (single-lift), or, if archives have been kept, resetting records down to the level they had reached prior to the introduction of supportive material for Bench Press (this would prevent IPF from starting from scratch and thus reduce the flow of WR attempts soon after the implementation of the rule).

Bench Press could also be renamed and be called “equipped Bench Press”, which would make it different from Bench Press as practiced in powerlifting.

The Disciplinary Committee will present a case to the General Assembly for the expulsion of Peruvian IPF affiliate President Lorenzo Quesada for violation of Constitution Article 14.3 which covers defaulting on agreements to compete. The article reads: "If a national federation defaults on a competition engagement with another country or countries, the DC may, in the case of disagreement between them, make a decision or impose penalties if the IPF Constitution or rules have been ignored."

General Assembly agenda (pdf).


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Why add the female 97 lbs and the female and male 114 lbs once they were finally able to get rid of them?

Powerlifting needs fewer, not more weight classes.

Are there ever too big groups in the lower weight classes? I don't think so.

Even at the World championships, it's often only 3-4 lifters in the lighter female and male classes.

And now these guys wants to dilute this even more?

Why? Because we need more world champs and records?

Please.

Why not re-do the weight class system, and try to get down to 9 weight classes, both male and female in total.

Some changes could be done to the weight classes as well to address the obvious problem when going from a heavy weight to a "whale".

For males it would be something like:

121
136
155
176
207
237
285
285+

Anonymous wrote:
Why add the female 97 lbs and the female and male 114 lbs once they were finally able to get rid of them?

Powerlifting needs fewer, not more weight classes.

Are there ever too big groups in the lower weight classes? I don't think so.

Even at the World championships, it's often only 3-4 lifters in the lighter female and male classes.

And now these guys wants to dilute this even more?

Why? Because we need more world champs and records?

If you re-read the proposal you will see that the new rule would allow the lighter classes to be contested at National and Regional meets only. The classes would not be added at World Championships so there would be no additional world champions. Meets in Asia and South America have very full light weight classes.

these are some of the worst ideas I've ever heard. lol

...can't alter your shirt shirt to fit you specifically

... no lift off in the bench

... 10 minutes in between events. WHAT???? ARE YOU JOKING??? WTF!!!!!

... can't set World records at National events

... have Worlds every two years instead of every year

... eliminate equipped benching all together

WORST PROPOSALS MANKIND HAS EVER SEEN!!!!

Putt Houston.... now with Ridiculous BCWW

Lets start a poll right now....

What is the most ridiculous proposal from the IPF Genreal Assembly?

I vote for the 10 minute rest period.

I don't even know if you were the strongest dude there, squatted 900+ and were the last lifter if you had time to get your gear off, put your bench shirt on and warm up to 700lb range. Siders would be destroyed physically.

Madvig, you might actually have a heart attack on the platform at that pace brother.... lol

WOW!

Putt Houston.... now with Ridiculous BCWW

These are just proposals that have been put forth. Every year there are some crazy ideas. They still have to be voted on before any of them can go into effect.

Holy Crap!! Why don't they just say it. If you don't have an physical defects you can bench.

Putt Houston wrote:
these are some of the worst ideas I've ever heard. lol

...can't alter your shirt shirt to fit you specifically

The shirt can be altered but only along the original seams and the chest panel cannot be altered. I don't like the sleeve length portion of the rule.

Quote:
Lets start a poll right now....

What is the most ridiculous proposal from the IPF Genreal Assembly?

Most of them are awful. But my vote goes to not allowing equipped benching in a full powerlifting meet. So you lift equipped for squat and deadlift, but raw for bench? This is just stupid. Powerlifters are normally interested in the total for three lifts as opposed to individual lifts. So how do you compare totals with a raw bench to records that were set with three equipped lifts? Let the bench only lifters do what they want, but leave the full powerlifting meets the way they are.

Putt Houston wrote:
Lets start a poll right now....

What is the most ridiculous proposal from the IPF Genreal Assembly?

I vote for the 10 minute rest period.

I don't even know if you were the strongest dude there, squatted 900+ and were the last lifter if you had time to get your gear off, put your bench shirt on and warm up to 700lb range. Siders would be destroyed physically.

Madvig, you might actually have a heart attack on the platform at that pace brother.... lol

WOW!

Putt Houston.... now with Ridiculous BCWW

I would have to agree....even the current 20 minutes seems short to me. Why would the IPF not run at least two flights in the same lifting session so that lifters can warm-up while the other flght is going? Then any break can be really cut down. Just curious?

Eric Stone wrote:
Putt Houston wrote:
Lets start a poll right now....

What is the most ridiculous proposal from the IPF Genreal Assembly?

I vote for the 10 minute rest period.

I don't even know if you were the strongest dude there, squatted 900+ and were the last lifter if you had time to get your gear off, put your bench shirt on and warm up to 700lb range. Siders would be destroyed physically.

Madvig, you might actually have a heart attack on the platform at that pace brother.... lol

WOW!

Putt Houston.... now with Ridiculous BCWW

I would have to agree....even the current 20 minutes seems short to me. Why would the IPF not run at least two flights in the same lifting session so that lifters can warm-up while the other flght is going? Then any break can be really cut down. Just curious?

I suppose it's more fun to generate controversy than read the actual proposal.

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Congress/AGENDA_GA_2009.pdf

First, the proposal comes from France, not the IPF General Assembly. France's proposed change (all caps) actually reads:

"IN THE CASE OF A SINGLE ROUND, I.E. UP TO 14 LIFTERS MAXIMUM, A 20MN PAUSE SHOULD BE GRANTED
BETWEEN LIFTS, SO AS TO MAKE WARM-UPS AND SUPPORTIVE SHIRT FITTING EASIER. YET, THESE SINGLE
ROUNDS MUST BE AVOIDED WHENEVER POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TV STAFF IS PRESENT"

The preference for a 10-minute break only appears in the Reasons cited for the proposal.

"Reasons
During the latest World Games in Kaohsiung, the pace of competition was completely
shattered. The competition lasted between 30 and 45 minutes with 20min pause. This rhythm
is not appropriate to keep the public on focus that readily gets bored during the time outs and
eventually leaves the room. This is also incompatible with a TV broadcast as well. Once
again, if we want to get broadcasted, we must adapt to their format. When facing a 14 lifters
group, we'd rather split it into smaller units and only give 10min pause between each lifts."

It suggests that instead of one 14-person flight there should be two seven person flights with a 10 minute break before starting bench press. It takes approximatley 1 minute per attempt so the first 7-person flight in bench will have about 20 minutes while the 2nd flight benches PLUS 10 minutes. So they get 30 minutes between when they get done benching and when they're supposed to start squatting.

This is actually an increase in the currently allowed break between squat and bench in the current IPF rules.

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Technical_Rules/IPF_rulebook_05_2009.pdf

"If a lifting session consists of a single group, i.e. up to a maximum of 14 lifters, an interval of 20 minutes shall be allowed between the lifts. This is to ensure adequate time for warm up and platform organization."

Joe M

Thanks for the info. Not trying to "generate fun controversy" or anything like that. As a meet director myself, I am merely asking questions.

I would say I would agree with their assertion that single flight sessions should be avoid first and foremost. Having at least 2 flights going in a session negates the need for any break. Certainly IPF meets are large enough to have 30 lifters in a session, no?

Eric Stone wrote:
Thanks for the info. Not trying to "generate fun controversy" or anything like that. As a meet director myself, I am merely asking questions.

I would say I would agree with their assertion that single flight sessions should be avoid first and foremost. Having at least 2 flights going in a session negates the need for any break. Certainly IPF meets are large enough to have 30 lifters in a session, no?

My apologies, Eric.

Putt's "poll" is what I was responding to. Your's was a legitimate question.

Joe M

YEAHP! Leave it to the french, bwahahahahahha!

Eric Stone wrote:
Certainly IPF meets are large enough to have 30 lifters in a session, no?

That would be pretty cool. Up to 132 lifts per session right?
lol.
but I understand what you mean and that it would be used to keep meets optimized.

Actually it would be 270 lifts (30 lifters x 9 lifts each). What's your point??

Eric Stone wrote:
Actually it would be 270 lifts (30 lifters x 9 lifts each). What's your point??

No harm ment bro.
Just thought the theoretical idea of so many lifts in row without a break was a pretty cool thing.
btw, the max for each group of lifters is currently set to 14.
So that would make 14x3+14x3+14x3 138
squats only. in theory, that is.
with the rule change we could speed up all the medium and bigger sized meets.

What's Titan going to do now! Hahahahaha!

Joe Marksteiner wrote:
Eric Stone wrote:
Thanks for the info. Not trying to "generate fun controversy" or anything like that. As a meet director myself, I am merely asking questions.

I would say I would agree with their assertion that single flight sessions should be avoid first and foremost. Having at least 2 flights going in a session negates the need for any break. Certainly IPF meets are large enough to have 30 lifters in a session, no?

My apologies, Eric.

Putt's "poll" is what I was responding to. Your's was a legitimate question.

Joe M

Alright Joe you got me, technically I meant to write : What is the most ridiculous proposal "FOR" the IPF Genreal Assembly?

Anyway, your indirect reference to my post not being legitimate is on the mark. I'll answer your reply with the truth... it is more fun to generate controversy than read the actual proposal. Although, I wouldn't say controversy is the correct term, maybe ridicule, satire or something along those lines. I just can't take some of those proposals seriously. You don't agree that some are absurd?

I'm paraphrasing...

"No lift off in the bench" ... come on man. That didn't make you LOL?

"No bench shirts, but you can lift equipped in the squat and deadlift"... I've tried saying that out loud in front of a mirror and each time I make a face. Where is the common sense?

"10 minute break for entertainment value" ... I actually was day dreaming about Brad Madvig having a heart attack on the platform. There's this new weird technology now where you could break for more than 20 minutes... even 20 days and edit the video so that it looks like there were no breaks. Spectator friendly, perhaps. Lifter friendly, hell no.

I can't be in the minority to suggest that some of those proposals didn't generate their own controversy. Technically I didn't generate the news. I just re-worded it and ridiculed it with my own spin.

I'm thinking right now of a scenario where I would be a true hardcore IPF proponent and sitting at the head table for administrators at the general assembly. Its at the end of a long day of competition. I've been judging the event all day, weary of judging squat depth and throwing red lights and not eating. The meeting is getting late and dragging. All I want to do is go back to my hotel room and eat a decent hot meal and sleep. After hearing several of these "proposals" and trying hard to act professional in the matter, there may come a time late in the evening where I whack the gavel and shout "WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP WASTING OUR TIME WITH THIS NONSENSE. THESE PROPOSALS ARE GETTING RIDICULOUS!" Even though I would respectfully not do it, I still would be mumbling like Yosemite Sam all the way back to my room, cussing and pissing and moaning in disbelief that someone actually brought them up as legitimate proposals, knowing there would be no support behind it.

I have no way to respond to that beyond poking fun at the obvious. I'm sure some IPF members somewhere are offended by my statements and yet I offer no apologies or retractions for my satire. It is what it is....

Respect

Putt Houston

Joe Marksteiner wrote:
Eric Stone wrote:
Putt Houston wrote:
Lets start a poll right now....

What is the most ridiculous proposal from the IPF Genreal Assembly?

I vote for the 10 minute rest period.

I don't even know if you were the strongest dude there, squatted 900+ and were the last lifter if you had time to get your gear off, put your bench shirt on and warm up to 700lb range. Siders would be destroyed physically.

Madvig, you might actually have a heart attack on the platform at that pace brother.... lol

WOW!

Putt Houston.... now with Ridiculous BCWW

I would have to agree....even the current 20 minutes seems short to me. Why would the IPF not run at least two flights in the same lifting session so that lifters can warm-up while the other flght is going? Then any break can be really cut down. Just curious?

I suppose it's more fun to generate controversy than read the actual proposal.

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Congress/AGENDA_GA_2009.pdf

First, the proposal comes from France, not the IPF General Assembly. France's proposed change (all caps) actually reads:

"IN THE CASE OF A SINGLE ROUND, I.E. UP TO 14 LIFTERS MAXIMUM, A 20MN PAUSE SHOULD BE GRANTED
BETWEEN LIFTS, SO AS TO MAKE WARM-UPS AND SUPPORTIVE SHIRT FITTING EASIER. YET, THESE SINGLE
ROUNDS MUST BE AVOIDED WHENEVER POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TV STAFF IS PRESENT"

The preference for a 10-minute break only appears in the Reasons cited for the proposal.

"Reasons
During the latest World Games in Kaohsiung, the pace of competition was completely
shattered. The competition lasted between 30 and 45 minutes with 20min pause. This rhythm
is not appropriate to keep the public on focus that readily gets bored during the time outs and
eventually leaves the room. This is also incompatible with a TV broadcast as well. Once
again, if we want to get broadcasted, we must adapt to their format. When facing a 14 lifters
group, we'd rather split it into smaller units and only give 10min pause between each lifts."

It suggests that instead of one 14-person flight there should be two seven person flights with a 10 minute break before starting bench press. It takes approximatley 1 minute per attempt so the first 7-person flight in bench will have about 20 minutes while the 2nd flight benches PLUS 10 minutes. So they get 30 minutes between when they get done benching and when they're supposed to start squatting.

This is actually an increase in the currently allowed break between squat and bench in the current IPF rules.

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Technical_Rules/IPF_rulebook_05_2009.pdf

"If a lifting session consists of a single group, i.e. up to a maximum of 14 lifters, an interval of 20 minutes shall be allowed between the lifts. This is to ensure adequate time for warm up and platform organization."

Joe M

The proposal document looks like Obamas healthcare bill.....

do the IPF get together once a year and just to see what they can change?

The reason to get rid of a lift off man on the bench press is because the audience couldnt see???

Yes it is!

And to show that they are in power, and can change things, also if it makes no sens. Witch is mostly don´t.

Doesn't titan/inzer custom fit Squat suits and Dea lift suits?

isbell wrote:
Joe Marksteiner wrote:
Eric Stone wrote:
Putt Houston wrote:
Lets start a poll right now....

What is the most ridiculous proposal from the IPF Genreal Assembly?

I vote for the 10 minute rest period.

I don't even know if you were the strongest dude there, squatted 900+ and were the last lifter if you had time to get your gear off, put your bench shirt on and warm up to 700lb range. Siders would be destroyed physically.

Madvig, you might actually have a heart attack on the platform at that pace brother.... lol

WOW!

Putt Houston.... now with Ridiculous BCWW

I would have to agree....even the current 20 minutes seems short to me. Why would the IPF not run at least two flights in the same lifting session so that lifters can warm-up while the other flght is going? Then any break can be really cut down. Just curious?

I suppose it's more fun to generate controversy than read the actual proposal.

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Congress/AGENDA_GA_2009.pdf

First, the proposal comes from France, not the IPF General Assembly. France's proposed change (all caps) actually reads:

"IN THE CASE OF A SINGLE ROUND, I.E. UP TO 14 LIFTERS MAXIMUM, A 20MN PAUSE SHOULD BE GRANTED
BETWEEN LIFTS, SO AS TO MAKE WARM-UPS AND SUPPORTIVE SHIRT FITTING EASIER. YET, THESE SINGLE
ROUNDS MUST BE AVOIDED WHENEVER POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TV STAFF IS PRESENT"

The preference for a 10-minute break only appears in the Reasons cited for the proposal.

"Reasons
During the latest World Games in Kaohsiung, the pace of competition was completely
shattered. The competition lasted between 30 and 45 minutes with 20min pause. This rhythm
is not appropriate to keep the public on focus that readily gets bored during the time outs and
eventually leaves the room. This is also incompatible with a TV broadcast as well. Once
again, if we want to get broadcasted, we must adapt to their format. When facing a 14 lifters
group, we'd rather split it into smaller units and only give 10min pause between each lifts."

It suggests that instead of one 14-person flight there should be two seven person flights with a 10 minute break before starting bench press. It takes approximatley 1 minute per attempt so the first 7-person flight in bench will have about 20 minutes while the 2nd flight benches PLUS 10 minutes. So they get 30 minutes between when they get done benching and when they're supposed to start squatting.

This is actually an increase in the currently allowed break between squat and bench in the current IPF rules.

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Technical_Rules/IPF_rulebook_05_2009.pdf

"If a lifting session consists of a single group, i.e. up to a maximum of 14 lifters, an interval of 20 minutes shall be allowed between the lifts. This is to ensure adequate time for warm up and platform organization."

Joe M

The proposal document looks like Obamas healthcare bill.....

do the IPF get together once a year and just to see what they can change?

The reason to get rid of a lift off man on the bench press is because the audience couldnt see???


I would say to change the Bench Press to a side angle so the audience can see and then we can leave the hand off person a lone for safety reasons!! Can you build a Rocket?

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