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USPF Expands Selection Critieria for WPF World Team

Submitted by Staff on September 11, 2009 - 9:00am.

As already reported at Powerlifting Watch, the USPF expanded its selection criteria for the multi ply GPC World team by opening up participation to single ply competitors who qualify at the upcoming D1 Mr. Olympia Powerlifting Competition or at its single ply D1 Nationals.

In conjunction with that change, the federation has also widened the selection criteria for the WPF World Championships team. Formerly, the U.S. team was assembled from the top Wilks totalers at the USPF Nationals. Originally, the 2009 world teams were named in July, following Nationals. Now, the federation also will include results from its Military Nationals and D1 Mr. Olympia Powerlifting Competition to determine its world team.

The USPF Executive Committee also reserves the right to select the final world team on other criteria.

The USPF D1 Mr. Olympia Powerlifting Competition and D2 National Championships will be held on September 25-26 at the Olympia in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Original women's team.
Original men's team.

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Submitted by bill s (not verified) on September 11, 2009 - 11:18am. » login or register to post comments

As I posted on the USPF forum, it would be helpful if they corrected the wrong mailing address on the online entry form.

LINK to forum post

The zip for Parkersburg is not 26012, it is 26102
I wonder if there will be any problems with that.

- bill s

Submitted by Tronske (not verified) on September 11, 2009 - 12:43pm. » login or register to post comments

So now a competitor can lose his/her World team spot from someone else because the USPF decided to “widen the selection criteria?” We were previously told the ONLY way to qualify for Worlds was by competing at Nationals. Several competitors relied on that representation and made sacrifices to participate in Nationals. It’s apparent this late change is being made only because the Olympia D1 isn’t drawing enough participation. The USPF needs to show some consistency in their message if they want any credibility. I’m a loyal USPF member, but I’m disappointed with this move.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 11, 2009 - 12:56pm. » login or register to post comments

I hope this post is clear and concise. I hope I do not come across as a disgruntled lifter. I like and support the USPF but this decision gives fodder to those who complain about the federation. It is disappointing and baffleing. Ths USPF made a decision and let its lifters know way in advance what it took to make the Worlds team. Like last year you had to qualify @ the Nationals and would be selected based on Wikes Formula. As a matter of fact the only way you could even compete @ the Worlds was to compete @ the Nationals or Military Nationals. I am going to explain this from my point of view. I was banged up for Nationals. My shoulder was killing me and my right wrist felt like someone had tried to twist my hand off. However, I had really worked hard and figured I would gut it out and try to get a spot and knew that this was my only chance. My strategy was to stay close to Mike Tronske per Wilkes. He is a really good lifter and I figured he would make the team pretty easy so if I was close I had a shot. Going into the dead I figured I needed to pull 620 to be right around his Wilkes. I had pulled 645 in training a couple weeks before so I knew 620 was in the bag even with my wrist. I was surprised that I had just snuck into the 6th spot and Mike was the alternate. My point is this if I would have known that Las Vegas was a qualifier I would have skipped Nationals b/c it would have fit much better into my training schedule. At a minimu I would have tried to pull 635-40 to hopefully bosst my Wilkes knowing there was another qualifier. My entire goal this year was to try to make the Worlds team and total 1700+ @ the Worlds. I know many will say or think what the phuck is this guy whining about? He only totals mid 1600's @ 220, it's not like he is Siders or Ceili. That's my point. I worked hard and played by the rules to get my very small, not very impressive piece of the pie. It's not much but it is what I worked for. Now if the powers of the USPF would have come to me and said, "Gary we realize you outtotalled Tronske but he set a World record total. Also he will win the 242's and you probably won't beat Dave Smith so we want Mike to represent." I would have thought about it. Honestly do not know what I would have done. I would have at least been part of the process and part of the USPF. I would like to make one more point. I had asked 2 years ago how you qualified for Worlds. They said Nationals and only Nationals. I asked why and they said so everyone is playing on a level playing field, same judging, same venue etc. It kind of sucked b/c it was in RI and wsa in the middle of a military move but it made sense. It seemed fair just like not allowing benches and deadlifts from the full power to the single lifts for Worlds. I do not think they should have changed things. If they wanted to try to they should have put it to a vote from the 5th and 6th place finishers since they will be the ones affected. At least make us feel like part of the process, part of the federation. Again, no disrespect intended and I am looking forward to the Worlds in Vegas regardless.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 11, 2009 - 1:02pm. » login or register to post comments

Tronske wrote:

I am only posting this so people do think I posted my original comments after reading yours. It took me 2 hours to write mine b/c I was watching my son so when I posted mine I was shocked that you had posted and I had mentioned your name. I realize you do not know me from Adam. I do not want anyone to think this was colusion. I am glad you feel the same way and I hope the USPF listens.

Submitted by jphadden on September 11, 2009 - 2:26pm. » login or register to post comments

You guys are right, this is garbage. Nationals were sold as the only way to qualify for worlds. I think that the uspf should keep their word and stick to the terms that were previously announced. I did not make the world team so this does not impact me, but it is bullshit for the guys that did. If you did not lift at nationals you should not be considered for worlds.

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 11, 2009 - 2:45pm. » login or register to post comments

Ok, So this is total Crap!

I lifted 622 In bench, I have been traning to compete in Worlds. Now I might not make it because!?!?!?!? the USPF decided they want more lifters? or want to loose me as a lifter, Im done with the USPF if they pull this!

You cant go back on ur desision to make worlds the ""only" way to qualify for worlds

We are Nine weeks out till worlds........

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 11, 2009 - 3:05pm. » login or register to post comments

They need new leadership. They cannot even field lifters to go to the Olympia. People have made travel plans and as said are 9 weeks out and they are going to get bumped to have a better chance at "WPF Worlds"? One bad decision after another. I would like to know Steve's opinion since he is running the meet.

Submitted by Marcus on September 11, 2009 - 4:08pm. » login or register to post comments

This will be interesting. I'm sure some people on the team have already started to book hotels and flights. The meet is during the week too, so most people will have to request time off work. The part that worries me the most is this:

"The USPF Executive Committee also reserves the right to select the final world team on other criteria."

What is this other criteria?

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Submitted by Hartschuh on September 11, 2009 - 5:39pm. » login or register to post comments

Marcus wrote:

What is this other criteria?

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It means they'll pick whoever they damn well please. Someone is going to get hosed with this decision.

Submitted by Greg Gator (not verified) on September 11, 2009 - 5:57pm. » login or register to post comments

As a USPF lifter, I am sorry for all of those who worked hard at the Nationals, through the shit judging and clusterfucks, to earn a place on the team---and now that place might be in jeopardy. That's shitting on your lifters, USPF.

The future of the USPF is apparent and I, for one, don't see myself in it.

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 11, 2009 - 11:01pm. » login or register to post comments

Why are they doing This, makes no sense at all!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 12, 2009 - 8:12am. » login or register to post comments

Jarred Roberts wrote:

Why are they doing This, makes no sense at all!!

It makes sense if they don't have enough lifters, and it seems to me that they are trying to expand the amount of qualified lifters - not have existing qualified lifters bumped by more recent competition.

-bill s

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 12, 2009 - 9:14am. » login or register to post comments

Jarred Roberts wrote:

Ok, So this is total Crap!

You cant go back on ur desision to make worlds the ""only" way to qualify for worlds

We are Nine weeks out till worlds........

If you arent good enough to be on the team, then you are not good enough. You can still go to worlds. Just might not be selected for the world team. They just added a qualifier.

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 12, 2009 - 10:02am. » login or register to post comments

Anonymous wrote:

Jarred Roberts wrote:

Ok, So this is total Crap!

You cant go back on ur desision to make worlds the ""only" way to qualify for worlds

We are Nine weeks out till worlds........

If you arent good enough to be on the team, then you are not good enough. You can still go to worlds. Just might not be selected for the world team. They just added a qualifier.

Yeah Good enuff, Right.........I don't have teh money to go and do 2 meets in Vegas within three months..........why don't you post your name Troll!

I aint got shit to hide, You?

And its 8 Traning weeks till Worlds.......ur a Nub!

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 12, 2009 - 11:47pm. » login or register to post comments

If you are upset with this rulling Please contact;

David Jeffrey
matofficial@yahoo.com

Courtney Stanley
webmaster@uspf.com

This is The lifters Federation Let us be Heard!!!

Submitted by rharris on September 13, 2009 - 1:42am. » login or register to post comments

Jarred Roberts wrote:

If you are upset with this rulling Please contact;

David Jeffrey
matofficial@yahoo.com

Courtney Stanley
webmaster@uspf.com

This is The lifters Federation Let us be Heard!!!

Excellent suggestion. Whether pro or con, lets use the process of the federation instead of blowing steam on the internet. My comments will go out tonight.

Robert Harris
Las Vegas, NV

Submitted by Courtney Stanley on September 13, 2009 - 8:19am. » login or register to post comments

I can respond to a few comments...

The "World Team" has always been selected by the President of the USPF from a list of Qualifiers or anyone else for that matter that is a USPF Member. The idea being to field a Winning Team. Whether the membership knew this or not...that has been the USPF Policy from Day One.....Normally the selections were the winners of the Nationals....with very few exceptions....The most recent selection from outside the winners list was in the 2007 Worlds....a Masters selection was made to enhance the Team.

The inclusion of the Military Nationals and the Event from the Olympia was a result of the USPF responding to lifters competing in "NATIONAL" events who were asking to be included for consideration to particpate in the Worlds. This decision was made to help our Military Members receive proper consideration and to increase the pool of lifters for World competition by including some of the WORLD CLASS lifter who are participating in the Olympia....can you say "Hoss" Cartwright and "Mark Bell" for instance???
I might also point out that several Top Qualifiers have dropped out and need to be replaced...ie, Lance Karabel(Injury) and Darren Matsumoto USAPL Conflict)....

The USPF Executive committee intends to live up to it's responsibilty to try to WIN the Worlds for the USA!.....Eveyone who qualified at the USPF Nationals in La Mirada can lift at the Worlds....and can win their respective class...and thus become a "World Champion".

The Executive committee and the President of the USPF were simply attempting to do the right thing and make this event as inclusive as possible.

The USPF has also received an overwhelming positive response from the majority of our members regarding this decision. NO lifters from the Nationals will be turned away from lifting...your spot at the Worlds is secure....only the "Team" Competition will be affected.

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 13, 2009 - 11:20am. » login or register to post comments

You do what you think is right Maybe Next year, Don't Post the USA TEAM right after NAts unless you intend on keeping your decision (unless people get hurt or can make it).

I want to remain on the USA Team and I want to WIn for my Country!

Thanks for responding.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 13, 2009 - 12:54pm. » login or register to post comments

I dont know how they can call it multi ply.Multi ply is 3ply or more tell it like it is.Its 2ply.thanks

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 13, 2009 - 4:35pm. » login or register to post comments

Courtney Stanley wrote:

The USPF has also received an overwhelming positive response from the majority of our members regarding this decision.

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Really? I didn't see that on the USPF website. Why not make a thread and let us see the "positive responses?" Everyone I talk that is in the USPF thinks this move shows a lack of integrity.

Submitted by David Jeffrey (not verified) on September 13, 2009 - 8:19pm. » login or register to post comments

It is pleasing that so much interest has been posted on team selection regarding the WPF world team. I would like to take this opportunity to clear up a few things. The USPF EC makes team official selections based on who they believe has the best chance of scoring the most points. This dates back several years including before the USPF left the IPF and formed the WPF. We seem to have beena victim of of our success lately with many lifters wanting to compete in the world meet. For some reason we have people that somehow think they have been selected to a team that has not been selected. When the USPF decided to compete in the WPF again two years ago. Steve Denison and myself selected the team the day before lifting began. The points for team winners are based on formulas allowing us to make these selections much later than if we were attending the IPF championships. In their case you must send team selections with alternates thirty days in advance and winners are not based on a formula. All lifters who lifted in the qualifying meets are eligible to compete at the world meet.I hope that this clears any misconception that it appears someone has put forth. I would like to wish all of those lifters that are training for this great event good luck and if you have questions , suggestions for improvement please contact me.

David Jeffrey
USPF President

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 13, 2009 - 9:49pm. » login or register to post comments

Really Then WHy did you post a Team allready, I don't under stand, so If you are on the WPF USA team you want know till the night before....

I love the USPF I lift Here its my home..........

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 13, 2009 - 9:49pm. » login or register to post comments

when will final selection be?

Submitted by Steve Denison on September 13, 2009 - 10:34pm. » login or register to post comments

I was the one that posted the teams right after Nationals. Teams were based on the highest Wilks as they were in previous Worlds. The Mr Olympia became a late qualifier. But in my original team posting for the men and women I posted this sentence: "Nothing is set in stone until confirmations are emailed to me and approved by the USPF President and Executive committee."
These were proposed teams awaiting confirmation from the USPF President and Executive committeee. I apologize to everyone if I got your hopes up prematurely.

Steve Denison
www.powerliftingCA.com

Submitted by Steve Denison on September 13, 2009 - 10:38pm. » login or register to post comments

Jarred Roberts wrote:

when will final selection be?

Final selection should come right after the Mr Olympia in the 1st week of October.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 12:03am. » login or register to post comments

David Jeffrey wrote:

David Jeffrey
USPF President

I am glad it is pleasing to you b/c it is not pleasing to me. I do not care what you say the Nationals was billed as the ONLY way you could qualify for the World team. We work, spend time with our families, train, and when we save up enough money we pick the meets in which we want to lift. We do not have time to read the nuances of the rules. We rely on what was told to us. You can spin it however you want. I think the spirt of rule to allow the EC to choose team members was if there was a situation were there was not enough to complete a team, e.g. four women and you need six. But that is not the case we filled the teams up with qualified lifters b/c Steve promoted the meet as the only way to represent in Vegas. It is a dead horse to me. You can take my name off the list. I will compete at the Worlds but on my own team, team Grissinger. If anyone wants to join feel free, we can change the name to whatever, maybe team malcontents. This will be my, my sons, and my wifes, last USPF meet outside of California. I was really looking orward to going to Nationals next year in RI and going to Bath, not now. I really hope the SPF takes root in California b/c as much as I respect Dennison I equally have trouble supporting a fed that disrespects me. Good Luck.

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 14, 2009 - 12:53am. » login or register to post comments

Steve Denison wrote:

Jarred Roberts wrote:

when will final selection be?

Final selection should come right after the Mr Olympia in the 1st week of October.

IM not A bench Only Guy,but I mad the Bench Team, That is what im good at and I know I can help the USA team Win...........But need to know if I have even mad the team, and Yes I thought I was Looked in to the team.

Submitted by Jim McDonald on September 14, 2009 - 4:00am. » login or register to post comments

Courtney Stanley wrote:

This decision was made to help our Military Members receive proper consideration and to increase the pool of lifters for World competition by including some of the WORLD CLASS lifter who are participating in the Olympia....can you say "Hoss" Cartwright and "Mark Bell" for instance???

Neither Bell nor Cartwright is lifting at the USPF meet at the Olympia.

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 14, 2009 - 9:13am. » login or register to post comments

I have no clue why people are so up in arms about the team selection if you still have the chance to lift at the worlds?

Go lift, and if you beat out a team member, then that's your way to show people that they should have picked you to be on the team.

The point that is being missed is, YOUR STILL LIFTING AT THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Steve also said that the team selections are not final, just a proposed list from the get go, PERIOD. So how does this discourage people from lifting again for the USPF, inside or outside of California, this makes NO sense at all.

Final thought, next year's USPF Nationals are gonna be just as big as it was this year if not bigger.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 12:03pm. » login or register to post comments

Anonymous wrote:

I dont know how they can call it multi ply.Multi ply is 3ply or more tell it like it is.Its 2ply.thanks

Check your facts.

(mŭl'tə-pəl)
adj. Having, relating to, or consisting of more than one individual, element, part, or other component;

The word "Multi" comes from the word "Multiple." By definition multiple means "more than one."

By this simple fact, "muti-ply" CAN be represented as 2-ply - as 2-ply is more than one.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 12:12pm. » login or register to post comments

Tim Cochran wrote:

I have no clue why people are so up in arms about the team selection if you still have the chance to lift at the worlds?

Go lift, and if you beat out a team member, then that's your way to show people that they should have picked you to be on the team.

The point that is being missed is, YOUR STILL LIFTING AT THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Final thought, next year's USPF Nationals are gonna be just as big as it was this year if not bigger.

Tim Cochran

Tim,

people are not "up in arms" about "competing in the Worlds." People are "up in arms" about what is apparent - an inability by the EC of the USPF to make a command decision. Yes people know they will still have an opportunity to compete in the Worlds - this is NOT the issue. Those who worked hard and were selected to the World Team took pride in their efforts and selection. THIS is what has people "up in arms."

By failing to post the Olympia contenders it is apparent the roster is NOT full. It is also apparent this is the USPF's attempt to garner support for this event.

As the EC continues to make decision, the USPF continues to push lifters from the ranks. You "USPF" have already squandered a golden opportunity to boost membership with your decision at the Nationals - now you are showing exactly how well the leadership functions by continuing to illustrate an inept ability to make a command decision.

Next years Nationals will not be as big or even close to this years Nationals.

The power of the USPF is within the membership ranks - apply a military principle and support your members and you will strengthen your ranks. Continue with "business as usual" and you will continue to lose members...

Yes the Legend Continues... and so do the bad decisions.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 12:45pm. » login or register to post comments

Anonymous wrote:

Tim Cochran wrote:

I have no clue why people are so up in arms about the team selection if you still have the chance to lift at the worlds?

Go lift, and if you beat out a team member, then that's your way to show people that they should have picked you to be on the team.

The point that is being missed is, YOUR STILL LIFTING AT THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Final thought, next year's USPF Nationals are gonna be just as big as it was this year if not bigger.

Tim Cochran

Tim,

By failing to post the Olympia contenders it is apparent the roster is NOT full. It is also apparent this is the USPF's attempt to garner support for this event.

Next years Nationals will not be as big or even close to this years Nationals.

Yes the Legend Continues... and so do the bad decisions.

I wish this poster would post their name. This is well put and I ditto his/her thoughts. Twenty four years on the military 12 enlisted and 12 commissioned and have been on both sides of leadership. This poster nailed it.

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 14, 2009 - 12:46pm. » login or register to post comments

Biggest thing you fail to realize, the list Steve put up was the proposed list of potential team member's, and he even said so. THAT LIST WAS NOT THE FINAL SAY SO, PEOPLE STARTED JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.It's like someone said on the internet that you was going to play for the Laker's, are you going to believe it or wait till you have Jerry West at your front door giving you official notice the you will be a Laker, same goes here, until you get official word from the U.S. Team coach, which is Dave Jeffrey, what makes any thing official.

A list of team member's doesn't have to be submitted till meet time, so there is another example of people not paying attention.

As for national's next year, it will be as big. California lifter's always complain that the East Coast never come and support there meets, it fact and in truth, California lifter's never support the East coast lifting. Check this years roster, about half was from east coast, now look back and see how many California lifter's come to the nationals on the east coast last year, i can tell you for a fact, and can say i don't need all ten finger's to count them on.

With that said, this is not intended to be personal attack upon yourself, just a summary of things that's happening in general. I had a so-so meet and I'm glad just be going to the world's and if i do get selected for the teams great, but I'm not gonna hold my breath or believe anything till i get official confirmation from the team coach.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 1:25pm. » login or register to post comments

Tim Cochran wrote:

A list of team member's doesn't have to be submitted till meet time, so there is another example of people not paying attention.

Tim Cochran

Tim,

taken from the National USPF Forum:

On September 01, 2009 you stated:
"Competition at the WPF Worlds remains the sole priviledge of those who have competed in a USPF "National" event. Those events are:

USPF Nationals July 3-5,2009
USPF Military Nationals May 23,2009
USPF Div.1 Mr Olympia Powerlifting

-End Quote

I can distinctly see the word "National" within two of the 3 listed. In fact, the Mr. Olympia does not contain the word "National" unless you mention D2!

Therefore, please provide a link to the USPF doctrine which defines a "National" event or provide information which identifies the Mr. Olympia "D1" as a National event.

If it is your claim that the Mr. Olympia is a "National" event on the bases that it is being conducted in conjunction with the D2 "Nationals" then why is it NOT named the D1 Mr. Olympia "Nationals?"

First the USPF posts that those lifting in the D1 event will qualify for the D2 World Team and GPC Worlds, now you are moving the bar again.

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 14, 2009 - 1:35pm. » login or register to post comments

Here is my true concern, are you a USPF member? If so, did you lift in the Nationals? And if so, how does this affect you at all?

This may sound like i conceded to this very well discussed subject, but your posting Anonymous, so i feel this is mute since your hiding and there's a good chance this does not affect you in any way other than your are trying to start trouble.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 1:39pm. » login or register to post comments

Tim Cochran

So how does this discourage people from lifting again for the USPF, inside or outside of California, this makes NO sense at all.

Final thought, next year's USPF Nationals are gonna be just as big as it was this year if not bigger.

Tim Cochran
[/quote wrote:

Hey Tim,
I am one of the people who said that my family, all 3 of us, will not participate in next years Nationals or Worlds. In my world this decision seems pretty clear. Honor, Courage, and Committment are not just words to me, they are a way of life. This is a teaching moment for my son. He knows I worked hard for this and really thought it an honor. True it is not the USAPL team competing in the IPF Worlds but dammit I earned it. I bragged about it. With that said, nothing is worth my integrity. I can not support a fed that is deceptive and does not support me. Put it any way you want everybody, EVERYBODY, knew that day, on those platforms you had to bring your A game. To be honest I already kind of had an ill feeling after the Nationals. Many people in red, white, blue polos strutted around like "crackers." You know, the guys that sit on top of the horse and cracked the whip on the slaves that were not working hard enough. You guys forgot, like our government, you work for us we don't work for you. Without us there is no USPF. There was an arrognace in the room that was embarassing to be a part of. I thought I was being sensitive since I am not really part of a group ot team. However, after reading many post on here from lifters that were there I found my observsations were shared by many. I will lift in the USPF Military Nationals and I will bring a team next year. I will do this b/c Steve Denison has shown loyalty to the Military and this years meet had minimal participants but he still stood up to his word. Steve has shown loyalty so I will do the same. If Ted Isabella, who put a great Nationals in RI, was to come out and say this is wrong I would probably support him. Because Ted, like you, Courtney, Steve and a few others seem to run the USPF. I will also say I am not happy with Denison's responce. He took responsibility but I think he knows this is wrong. He is not a dummy. He posted the teams believing, like us, that these would be the team members and alternates. Again, b/c that is the way it was presented. Look how many people showed up to Natinals this year versus last. Do you think tha is just b/c they think Steve is cute? If I knew I had a choice to go to Vegas and try to qualify, after I have seen what the qualifying totals are, I would have choose Vegas not Anaheim. You mention Mark Bell and Scott Cartwright. I do not know these guys except from observing them at meets and reading about them or what they say online. They appear to be stand up guys and are great for the sport. The irony is I bet they would agree, best wishes and good luck to the USPF.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 1:42pm. » login or register to post comments

I posted this. Did not realize left off my name.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 1:43pm. » login or register to post comments

Anonymous wrote:

Tim Cochran

So how does this discourage people from lifting again for the USPF, inside or outside of California, this makes NO sense at all.

Final thought, next year's USPF Nationals are gonna be just as big as it was this year if not bigger.

Tim Cochran
[/quote wrote:

This is my post

Submitted by Staff on September 14, 2009 - 1:44pm. » login or register to post comments

Tim has made a reasonable request that he has this discussion with those using their names. Please include yours when replying.

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 14, 2009 - 1:55pm. » login or register to post comments

I never said anything bout Hoss or Mark, and the name calling just shows that you have NO Honor, Courage, or Commitment and that's the example you are showing to your son, and plus your still posting Anonymous, where's the Honor and Courage in that, another fine example for your son.

As for Steve, i think he is a good guy and has helped me with plenty of stuff i had to deal with, and he make's one mistake and he catch's crap, it's done and over and he has moved on too, so i bet it's time for you to move on.

Plus, i don't run the USPF, Courtney doesn't run the USPF, Ted doesn't run the USPF, and Steve doesn't run the USPF, we are just small cogs in the big wheel, i know bad pun, lol.

If you have soooooooooooo much problems, write to the E.C. and address them, not saying stuff to make yourself look better ANONYMOUS, make a REAL difference, become a state chair, or something, then you your presence known.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 14, 2009 - 2:01pm. » login or register to post comments

Thanks Jon, and i will not post any more on this subject so i will not bring unnecessary hardship to your dedicated staff.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 14, 2009 - 2:04pm. » login or register to post comments

Ok, Let me get t his right......You want people to Qualify for worlds at MR. Olympia Right?

If you told me 2 months ago, Then I would have lifted In this event to try and better my Wilks score, But that didn't happen, You tell us 2 weeks before, That is my concern.

Hoss and Bell are Not lifting.

so we will know right after Olympia who is on t eh team?

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 14, 2009 - 2:10pm. » login or register to post comments

Courtney Stanley wrote:

I can respond to a few comments...

The Executive committee and the President of the USPF were simply attempting to do the right thing and make this event as inclusive as possible.

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Mark Bell, Hoss name here.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 2:29pm. » login or register to post comments

Tim Cochran wrote:

Plus, i don't run the USPF, Courtney doesn't run the USPF, Ted doesn't run the USPF, and Steve doesn't run the USPF, we are just small cogs in the big wheel, i know bad pun, lol.

Tim Cochran

Woo partner, back off. I understand you do not want to deal with annoymous posters. Right after I posted I realized I didn't put my name. I posted immediately after that giving my name. You are not going to spin this trying to make me look like coward I guarantee you that. Also let me state I am not giving Steve crap. I do not think he made a mistake. I think we all know what was said. What name calling? The cracker thing? That was a metaphor trying to illustarte a point. Let me try to make another point, I should not have said that, it was wrong....I made a mistake. That wasn't so hard. Cartwright and Bell were mentioned in this thread. I do not think I said you mentioned them. Somehow it was alluded to that they would be competing @ Vegas and Jim Mac corrected that. I am not going to try to define is here. It seemed to be that their names were being used to boost a point. I can not speak for them but they are lifters and they know what goes into doing this. They are standup dudes and I think they would agree. I am also not bad mouthing Ted Isabella. I have many times on this site said the Nationals in RI were well run. I am disappointed I can not support him. My point was the guys I mentioned have a big say so. They put on the meets. I do not even know who the EC is. I like talking to people not initials. You talk to the EC for me. In the end we can agree to disagree. If I offended you I apoligize but I stand by what I say.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 6:46pm. » login or register to post comments

I paid my entry fee's for the worlds on good faith. Did what Steve ask me to do and made reservations at the Rivera Hotel on good faith to help him out. All this because i thought i made the Team USA. Now if i am not going to be on the team after they said i was .Then the USPF has not acted on good faith.Then i am going to take it as a breach of a verbal contract. I want my money back,cancel my reservations to the Rivera hotel. And i am seriously thinking about talking this to a lawyer. But that's going to depend on weather i make the team or not. And i think that the uspf will be seeing more of this from other people that may have been dropped.Something to think about Steve and the USPF .Take what i said to an attorney and see if am right or wrong

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 8:12pm. » login or register to post comments

WOW ! What we have here is a failure to comunicate. Those of you that can't see the big picture here , let me help you. Steve D went out of turn and did not follow orders ( For the military guy) What would happen if he did that in a skirmish (Court Martial ) OOps! And for Mr Laywer , who are you gonna sue . You need to know a little law. You could sue Denison but not the USPF because Denison signed a sanction clearing their responsibility especially when you don't follow protocol. Now for the rest of you (genious's) why don't quit whinning and lift because obviously your are not smart enough to understand rules and procedures.

Submitted by Courtney Stanley on September 14, 2009 - 8:47pm. » login or register to post comments

Yes to the poster above...there has been a failure to communicate. Unfortunately most of the posters seem to have no interest in listening to the explanations that have been offered by the USPF representatives. It's the same as shouting down people in town hall meetings...damn reason...I'll just scream my head off till someone responds...

Well guys I hate to tell you this since I try to always act in a "civil manner" when posting on this forum, We volunteers who are trying to put on meets and run an organization for you...are getting tired of BS posts full of personal vendetta and sadly lacking in compassion for your fellow USA lifters..

I stated above that the purpose of adding people to the Team was to offer an opportunity to our soldiers ( who protect our freedoms in the USA ) to lift in the Worlds....since they also competed in a US National event. Additionally we granted access to the World competion ( NOT THE TEAM )to those lifters competing in the D1 National event in Las Vegas. WE ALSO granted access to the GPC WORLDS to all those competitors who competed in any of these National events !!

We didn't just dream this up....we, the USPF executive, were trying to provide World Class lifting oppertunities for as many people as possible.....and for this effort we get Sh###t upon.

Most anger is rooted in fear....we do not have to fear our own USPF Brothers....relax....it is just Powerlifting....can't make everyone happy.....we are just trying to do the right thing...if we got it wrong....we are genuinely sorry.

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Submitted by Busick on September 14, 2009 - 8:55pm. » login or register to post comments

Simply amazing the nonsense that goes on. We have three different feds in three different huge expos and yet we continue the BS.

I wish success to the USAPL at the Arnold, the APF at the Europa in Orlando and the USPF will work hard to build the Olympia.

This is giving the sport great exposure!

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 9:10pm. » login or register to post comments

Anonymous wrote:

I wish I could follow your logic. By the way I am the "military guy." You said you were going to help me see the "big picture", help me. You lost me with your tangental thinking. From my perspective it is simple and I am not going to let it be spun any ohter way. For months it was billed as the ONLY way to qualify for the World team. I do not have to be a genious like you to understand what that means. I do not fault Steve Denison at all. This is the fact. A post last week from someone on the "Official" USPF forum ask if the D1 Olympia results would be used to determine the Worlds Team? Steve replied something like, let me bounce that of the EC. I believe it was the next day Steve got an answer. He stated he had talked to the EC and President and it was affirmative, the results would help determine the Team. So the reality is it was not until a week ago that this decesion was made. I am not as bright as you but do you see something not right there? Do you see the big picture Einstein?

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 14, 2009 - 9:26pm. » login or register to post comments

Courtney Stanley wrote:

Additionally we granted access to the World competion ( NOT THE TEAM )to those lifters competing in the D1 National event in Las Vegas.

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Is this the case? Then I have no problem and I apoligize. I was under the assumption that the D1 @ the Olympia would determine lifters on the World Team. I guess I didn't see the big picture.

Submitted by K.Tawzer (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 12:19am. » login or register to post comments

HEY Anony(Mouse) If your going to threaten someone at least have the balls to put your name down.So what if your name is chicken shit put it down everyone knows your name. Its Chicken Shit.Now sue me for deformation of character or something you peace of shit.I really hope you don't make TEAM USA with that attitude.Sorry Steve i am starting to get grumpy the older i get.Pay no attention to chicken shit PS Hey chicken Shit, that's my name up there where it says your name.You want to talk to me some more about it i am not hard to find.Hope to see you at the worlds PLEASE! LOOK! ME !UP! Hope you have a rotten rest of the year.Please please leave this post up thanks

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 1:05am. » login or register to post comments

Courtney Stanley wrote:

We didn't just dream this up....we, the USPF executive, were trying to provide World Class lifting oppertunities for as many people as possible.....and for this effort we get Sh###t upon.

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Please do not delete this post. I have posted my name and put comments out there that can easily be criticized. People that do not know might think I am a whiny turd, very far from the truth. I feel this post pretty much sums up mt frustration. Annonymous poster quoted a movie line, "what we have is a failure to communicate." Couttney's post agrees and goes on to portray me as one of those crazzzzzy town hallers that yells and has "no interest in listening to the explanations that have been offered by the USPF representitives." I listened and I do not agree. I am going to use this forum to express myself. You can call me names, muddy the waters spin it however you want. I have one complaint, one issue. We were told that the USPF Nationals was the only way to qualify for the Worlds Team. Steve D. posted the teams ages ago and up until 09/09 there were no problems. I am sure everyone including the EC and President, saw the list Of course there was a blurb about confirmation from the EC/Prez. I am pretty sure most, if not all, thought that was just an administrative thing. If you found out someone cheated or their age was wrong etc. Not that they could arbitrarily say, "Gary you're one of those crazy town hallers that believes in the Constitution, can't have that on our team." On 09/08 a lifter asked Denison on the USPF forum if the D1 totals would qualify for the World team? On 09/09 Steve Denison said the President had reported to him and the EC that it was affirmative, the D1 Olympia results would qualify. The heading in this thread states the same. Now Courtney agrees with annoynamous and claims we have a "failure to communicate;" He goes on to say the D1 Olympia results will not have any impact on the team selection. It will only allow lifters who compete in the D1 O to be afforded the opportunity to compete @ Worlds. A failure to communicate? I would say so. Which is it, the totals do or do not impact selection? I want to be perfectly clear I think it is great to allow D1 competetors to participate in Worlds. I think everyone that supported the USPF should be allowed. Those are the spoils of having the Worlds on your turf. I am not going to beat a dead horse. I only want to lift in one federation and I thought that was the USPF. Honesty and loyalty are very important to me. I think it was Jefferson that sad "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom."

Submitted by Jarred Roberts on September 15, 2009 - 2:02am. » login or register to post comments

I believe I deserve to make the Team I earned the right, Made my lifts,Belive I can help teh USPF USA win and Know that the USPF will do what is right.

I never felt my Spot on the Bench team was threatened, really just wanted to clear up the rules, as there was communication failure.......see you at worlds

My last post on Subject, Thanks........

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 2:02am. » login or register to post comments

drissinger your preaching to deaf ears they don't care time to go to a fed that dose care.my self I'm going to the APF see how they are and if i don't like them i will keep on going until i find one.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 2:30am. » login or register to post comments

Anonymous wrote:

drissinger your preaching to deaf ears they don't care time to go to a fed that dose care.my self I'm going to the APF see how they are and if i don't like them i will keep on going until i find one.

You are right, see you December 12th-13th @ Camarillo.

Submitted by Busick on September 15, 2009 - 6:55am. » login or register to post comments

"if i don't like them i will keep on going until i find one."

Maybe we should start yet another federation to satisfy all the Mr. Anonymous' of Powerlifting?

Anyone who supports or follows the suggestion of an anonymous post clearly lacks the will to better the sport they so blindly defend and/or have a personal agenda.

Stand up for the sport. POST YOUR NAME!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 1:35pm. » login or register to post comments

Jarred Roberts wrote:

Ok, Let me get t his right......You want people to Qualify for worlds at MR. Olympia Right?

If you told me 2 months ago, Then I would have lifted In this event to try and better my Wilks score, But that didn't happen, You tell us 2 weeks before, That is my concern.

Hoss and Bell are Not lifting.

so we will know right after Olympia who is on t eh team?

Don't worry your spot is safe. Bell is not lifting at the Olympia and I'm pretty sure he does not want to make the Bench Team. On the Team or not should not matter.

In either case, if you don't perform while representing TEAM USPF - then this will be all for not won't it?

Bend the bar, do your part and don't worry about the politics that go in to who made the team and who didn't.

Heck, some who made the TEAM only did so because of the strict nature of the Nationals - NOT because of their strength - and that is FACT.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 3:36pm. » login or register to post comments

K.Tawzer wrote:

So you allow this post, but negate my responce Jon? I know it's your site - but if you are going to delete my post which contained NO cursing - why allow this?

Submitted by Staff on September 15, 2009 - 3:49pm. » login or register to post comments

Anonymous wrote:

K.Tawzer wrote:

So you allow this post, but negate my responce Jon? I know it's your site - but if you are going to delete my post which contained NO cursing - why allow this?

Ken used his name. Yours would not have been deleted if you had.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 6:01pm. » login or register to post comments

I must have missed those instructions on your site - or is that something you do when you feel the need?

Submitted by K.Tawzer (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 8:11pm. » login or register to post comments

John and Staff; It was not my intention to start any kind of trouble. I do want to say that an apology is do.If i offended anybody please except my apology. I see now that i should not have used the S-word .The word i should have was Human excrement or Chicken Stool. And when i said you peace of S... i should used the word Fegill matter or DO- DO.I just did not realize that it would cause a few to suffer from a Fegill impaction like it obviously did.I should have used the phrase Testicular fortitude that Anony(MOUSE) clearly lacks.Threatening with a law suit,Just because he might not make the team USA. That sir is a coward.With everything that Steve has done for USPF and the sport of powerlifting he dose not deserve a half wit talking to him like that.And that is why i became so angry.If your going to make a stupid statement like that do it to Steves face. And if your going to post something like that at least have the Testicular fortitude to put your name down. So that if you are a member of the USPF and i don't think you are.I think you are nothing but a trouble maker.Steve will at least have a name to go by and everyone else will know who you are also.But that will never happen because like i said you and the few people like you are cowards. John and staff if you don't post this i don't blame you. Thanks Ken

Submitted by totally confused (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 8:31pm. » login or register to post comments

Not trying to start a fecal storm here but now I am totally confused. Are the D1 Olympia totals going to be considered for the World team. After looking at the USPF forum it looks like last friday they decided they would be. I read through all the posts and that appears to be the basis of the disagreement. Mr. Stanley does say in a few post back the the Las Vegas single ply will not count for team selection. It is only to allow people to participate as individuals. Seems like nobody was arguing that. Can someone clear this up so I know? Thank you

Submitted by K.Tawzer (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 9:09pm. » login or register to post comments

I knew it was spelled and pronounced fecal i have no idea where Fegill came from.I have got to start using spell check.

Submitted by totally confused (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 9:30pm. » login or register to post comments

Wasn't trying to be a smart ass or correct you. I was just continuing with the poop theme. I would just for someone to answer the question. Mr. Stanley seems to know what's going on and he says the the D1 will not count toward the team. I only ask because I could make the Juinor deadlift team pretty easy and there are still 3 days to enter.

Submitted by K.Tawzer (not verified) on September 15, 2009 - 10:28pm. » login or register to post comments

totally confused: I did not take any offence as to what you said at all have a great day.
Ken

Submitted by K.Tawzer (not verified) on September 16, 2009 - 7:32pm. » login or register to post comments

totally confused: I got the information that you have been looking for.Here is the Web Cite
Jason Phillips (admin@powerlifting super show.com)
Good Luck Kick some ass.See you at the Worlds

Submitted by Ted J. Isabella (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 1:11pm. » login or register to post comments

I would like to through my two cents in here. It has also been stated that they do not know who the EC members are. Well the EC members are listed on our USPF website. If anyone has a problem, question or concern, all you have to do is go to the USPF website to find all our e-mail addresses and contact information. You can contact us directly with any issue you may have, besides just airing them out on the internet. Not everyone goes to these forums to read them

Also everyone keeps complaining that the EC is changing things on everyone here. That is not the case. If you want to be angry with someone, be angry with Steve D. for he has caused this whole mess. Case in point, him posting a WPF team without EC approval, even though it was state to me a preliminary list. This alone has caused this SHIT storm we have now. Yes he apologized, but it is to late now because a number of lifters are pissed off and think it is all the EC. Again that is not the case. As far as Steve stating that he has been in contacted with the whole EC regarding certain issues and things for approval, that is a false statement also. Steve has not contacted me with anything lately, for he refuses to deal with me anymore. Reason is, on a number of occasions I have been holding him accountable for his actions, missteps and rules violations. Case in point, posting the WPF team without approval. Steve D, on numerous occasions, circumvents the EC, disrespects its members, tries to change rules without approval and continually violates USPF rules and protocols. A number of the problems and confusions that the USPF has been currently dealing with are directly related to Steve acting independently of the USPF. I wish everyone had all the facts or would bother to taking the time to contact people with the facts instead posting on these forums. Things are not always what they seem.

Submitted by Dennis Reneau (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 3:46pm. » login or register to post comments

Ted,

You are totally out of line for posting this in a public forum. There are obviously issues that continue to surface based on the USPF Nationals decisions and actions by the EC. These issues, whether good or bad, represented the decision of the USPF. Something that we as USPF members must live with - but that is life.

Steve is a member of the EC as are you, and as a member of the USPF, I feel that the personal attacks, vendettas, sly-comments, and the like are simply un-professional and do nothing but hinder the sport, drive wedges, and give the USPF a bad name.

As you are both members of the EC, why not handle your differences in a private forum? It is obvious to me that this is aimed at tackling the personal creditability of our State Chair and an EC member that has done many positive things for the USPF.

No I do not have the “inside” story and I do not know everything that takes place within the committee. What I do know is that as an active member of the USPF – personal attacks such as these bring nothing but discredit to the sport that we all bleed, sweat, and suffer for.

This is not a California versus anyone issue – the miscommunications impact EVERY lifter within the USPF and as a member of the EC I believe it is your obligation to bring the sport together – not drive wedges.

Take this as you will – it’s not a personal attack – just my effort to make those in the EC understand that the personality differences amongst you and the manner in which they have been addressed lately is doing nothing but driving away membership and brining discredit to the USPF.

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 4:17pm. » login or register to post comments

Ted J. Isabella wrote:

You make some valid points in regards to me. I could have went to the USPF website and found all the EC members and contacted them. The info is available with minimal effort. I saw this thread on this site and thought this was were we could air it out with nothing to hide. My point is simple. The Nationals was billed as the only way to make the Worlds team through competition. Of course there was the blurb about the EC and president confirmation. Most logical people would think that was an administrative issue. Make sure all the numbers were added up correctly, peoples ages were correct etc. Not that the leaders of the federation could just arbitrarly exclude someone. I am not unreasonable. You said I could have contacted the EC, true. I would like to point out that the names of the team have been posted on the USPF forum as well as this one since July. Yes, there was the blurb upon approval. NEVER ever, ever, once until September 10th, was there a mention of until approval and pending results of the D1 Olympia. The EC and the president had months to say, "Hey guys, remember we need to approve this list and wait for the D1 Olympia results." Never once were the results of this meet mentioned, until 10 September. Even in this thread an EC member, Courtney S, counterdicted the statement the D1 results would be factored. As you said Ted, I do not know all the facts. What I do know is this list has been out there for a good while now and never once did the EC or president mention D1 resu;ts from the Olympia. SOmebody mentioned it wsa b/c of a poor turnout for the event. I dod not believe that b/c I figured people would be chomping at the bit to do that show. However, after seeing the low turnoout it leads me to believe that might be true. That is sad if that is the case. Busick mentioned hidden agenda. I do have an agenda and now I feel responsible to share it. After getting busted up on a deployment 4 years ago I took up lifting. I decided to try to compete in this thing called powerlifting 3 years ago. The USPF looked like a good choice. I can only do 3 meets a year and I choose Nationals and if lucky Worlds. We go to Yokosuki Japan next year. I had already made my tenetive plans to go to, California for militay Nationals, RI for Nats and if I qualified Bath. I want to know if this is the way the USPF runs? I do not want to waste my time and money. I will try to make a team in a different federation.

Submitted by Ted J. Isabella (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 5:18pm. » login or register to post comments

Dennis Reneau wrote:

Ted,

I do not take your comments as a personal attack. I appreciate input from all, but input based on facts. Here is where you are wrong. I am not air dirty laundry and this is not a personal attack. I did not make any sly-comments, I just stating facts so people can direct these displeasure or angry in the right direction. I would expect you as a USPF member, plus a CA lifter, that would want to know if you are being misrepresented. This has nothing to do with CA versus everyone else. It has to do with simple facts.

Everyone keeps saying, as you just did, these are “decisions and actions by the EC”, which is not correct. Everyone keeps blaming the EC as a whole, which is wrong. The EC has not been completely involved with all the actions that have occurred lately and it is important to you as lifters to understand this, for your are all the ones it effects the most and who have had issue with things lately. That has been pretty evident from the post on this forum. I have been dealing with this issues privately, but it is important that our USPF members have facts and not fiction, so when comments are made, they made with full understanding of the issue.

As you said yourself, “miscommunications impact EVERY lifter within the USPF”, so to avoid anymore miscommunication, I gave you some facts to think about. The EC does not have problems with “personality differences amongst us”, we have a problem when someone who does not follow our rules and protocol and we end up with even bigger issues like this. This is something that should not have ever occurred, so if you can come up with a better way for me to inform your and other, please let me know.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 7:34pm. » login or register to post comments

Wow, I can't believe basically the heart and soul of Steve Denison is being attack on an online forum by another USPF official? Wake up Ted, without Steve, the USPF would be DEAD. Steve leave the USPF, and come over the dark-side of the APF, we'd love to have you as a meet director.

Submitted by Dennis Reneau (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 8:18pm. » login or register to post comments

Ted J. Isabella wrote:

Dennis Reneau wrote:

Ted,

As a member voted in to the Executive Committee of the USPF and as a National Referee of the USPF - whether you accept it or not - opinions coming from you are perceived as official.

That being said, I say again, you are completely out of place to sit and point the finger at another member of the EC. Each decision that the EC makes is a decision which represents the committee as a "whole" regardless of who took the action.

Therefore, if the decision or decisions that Steve made were incorrect - then they should have been discussed and corrected "within" the EC - NOT posted in an open and online forum.

I am not going to engage you in a debate, what I will say is that Steve has done nothing but positive for the USPF, it's membership base, and position within the Powerlifting community - those are FACTS you should think about.

The USPF has each and every members email account and if information was posted that was not approved by the EC, then why did the USPF NOT:

1. Remove the list from its OFFICIAL site.
2. Send a mass email correcting the information.
3. Contact each member selected to the USPF World Team, and
4. Have Steve issue a correction or annotation to his posting?

Problems amongst the EC members are not "fiction," as you by your posting have brought to the open an obvious issue between you and Steve. Yes decisions made by each member of the EC impact all of us as members of the USPF and more importantly – actions by the EC in a public forum impact USPF current lifters, USPF future lifters, the opinions of the USPF, and most importantly the morale of the USPF membership.

I as a USPF member hold each and every one in the EC accountable for what is taking place – whether initiated by one or many. Maybe the USPF president will hear or read what is taking place and take appropriate actions for your comments were unprofessional, without tact, and will do nothing positive to correct the problems generated by the airing of the USPF dirty laundry.

Dennis Reneau

Submitted by Richard Sanchez (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 8:53pm. » login or register to post comments

I think part of the blame can be directed at USPF President, Dave Jeffrey for opening up a can of worms when he said a lifter with a higher Wilks at the Olympia could make the WPF World team.

That was picked up by Powerlifting Watch and now you have all these comments that would have been unnecessary if Dave Jeffrey would have thought about the fallout from a decision like that.

The WPF world teams became more of a focus because of that decision he made. So blaming Steve D. as the scapegoat is a diversion at best. Nice leadership.

I guess the Legend Continues...and it's obvious that so do the bad decisions.

Richard

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 17, 2009 - 9:09pm. » login or register to post comments

Richard, wow, you have no clue. Ted spoke on how things really got started. And if i had smarts, the President might be sitting back watching all this unfold, then take action.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by grissinger (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 9:31pm. » login or register to post comments

Tim Cochran wrote:

Richard, wow, you have no clue. Ted spoke on how things really got started. And if i had smarts, the President might be sitting back watching all this fold then take action.

Tim Cochran

Tim, you are right we have no clue, please inform us. Are you saying that Steve Denison made a uni-lateral decision to allow the totals of the D1 Olympia make up the team to represent in Vegas? He lied on the USPF forum about the EC and president saying they would be included? That seems strange b/c there is was not one, one person, on the USPF forum refuting his post. NOT one member of the EC or president said this is not true. I would think if Denison made a statement on the USPF National forum that the totals would be a factor there would have been one person in power say "nope Steve you are full of shit." Way before this thread was started. If Steve did this then POO on Steve. Let us hear the truth, on this forum, on this thread. Dave come out and enlighten us on the facts. Really simple tell us like it is.

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 17, 2009 - 9:41pm. » login or register to post comments

Gris, I'm talking about originally what got all this started, as for the rest, i kinda got lost on the way too, lol, been hard to keep track of he said this, they said that,,,

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Richard Sanchez (not verified) on September 17, 2009 - 9:58pm. » login or register to post comments

Tim Cochran wrote:

Richard, wow, you have no clue. Ted spoke on how things really got started. And if i had smarts, the President might be sitting back watching all this unfold, then take action.

Tim Cochran

Sitting back watching this unfold? Hell, what is happening is the USPF is unravelling - so he's sitting back watching it unravel? By the time he takes action it will be too late. The time for action was when the first post was made, not after all this. That isn't the right approach. He should have had an executive post and that would have stopped much of the back and forth.

This thing has gone South so bad that you are all talking about eachother. Get that, those that run the USPF are talking about the bad decisions each one is making. I wonder why things are going South?

I guess I don't have the smarts you talked about, but when I look at things, I see a Grand Canyon forming. Maybe instead of keeping this going, something can be done to make things better. At least that way we can have fun at the Worlds and not have to worry about bickering and finger pointing between the elected members of the USPF.

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 17, 2009 - 10:05pm. » login or register to post comments

I'm sure things are being done by the E.C. committee but there not gonna post there business on here, what supposed to be going on is getting the facts out there.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Courtney Stanley on September 17, 2009 - 11:05pm. » login or register to post comments

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.

Let's try to make this discussion rational...and devoid of personal animosity.

Clearly many people are interested in the WPF Worlds Team selection Process...that is great!!
Also there seems to be considerable confusion about the actual process of selection. I am sorry we (The USPF folks who tirelessly toil to get meets put on and provide an organization to lift in...w/o compensation)have done such a poor job in communicating this to the lifters here who have responded. None of us are trying to slight anyone.
The facts as I know them are:

Everyone who lifted in La Mirada and won their class will be allowed to compete for a World Championship Title at the WPF Worlds. ...this has never changed.

The USA Competitive Team for the World Championship will be selected at the World Championships in Las Vegas....this also has never changed.

The listing of "World Team Members" on the USPF Website Forums was done in error. ....this is our fault.

It was not meant to harm anyone ,but was simply an error of enthusiasm ,if you like. We apologize for this mistake. The USA Competitive Team that will compete for the World Championship will assembled from the best lifters available at the last moment before the actual competition.
It becomes an obvious choice if the USA wants to put in their best effort to win. Injuries,strategy, and other factors intrinsic to competitive lifting are key to selection. To do any less would be malfeasant on the part the Team leadership.
Following this same strategy for winning it was decided by the USPF Executive to allow our Military Members the same courtesy. I hope it is not necessary to explain that.Once this was agreed upon we realized that we also had one other National Level event. A new event for 2009 so somewhat unfamiliar to most of the USPF at large.This event ,it was felt, also deserved consideration for competition in the WPF Worlds. We just could not exclude it without offending those lifters who had skipped California to train for Las Vegas and compete at the "Olympia".

The above shows the evolution and implementation of the USPF strategy for maximum lifter inclusion in this years World events..(See also the GPC World Events). This strategy may not have pleased everyone, as evidenced by the multiple criticisms.

Again, we are sorry that we were not able to please every one involved...and I vigorously point out..that our intentions were honorable.

We(The USPF Executive) sincerely hope that those who feel left out somehow will see our intent.

I am also sorry if this debate and discussion detoured a bit from a completely civil discourse. That was not our intention....

I personally will see many of you at the World Competition in November...feel free to come up to me and express yopur opinion...The USPF will try to do everything possible to address your concerns and value your input. I am sure this will serve all of us better than the keyboard rancor that has developed. I only ask that you try not to blow my psych for my lifting events...LOL!!!

Courtney Stanley
USPF Executive Committee
WPF World Secretary
GPC USA Secretary

"USPF....the Legend continues......"

Submitted by Tim Cochran on September 17, 2009 - 11:14pm. » login or register to post comments

Great post Courtney, explains everything perfectly. If no one cant understand that post, there's no help for them.

Tim Cochran

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 18, 2009 - 8:19pm. » login or register to post comments

I have never lifted APF before but after the Worlds in Vegas.You will never see me or some other lifters again.Apf in Ca.is Finley getting there crap together. That's where you'll find me and others .And if they pull the same crap. Then its APA.Eventually there has got to be a Fed that cares about there members.This is the straw that broke the camel's back.And Cortney you know and i know .What your doing is double talk.We all knew about the Olimpia contest. It was for D-2 remember? then at the last Minuit it also included D-1 And they could qualify for Team USA. How stupid do you think the members are. Water gate was more honest than you and the rest of your gang have been to us.If you had to compare the two this would be an under gate.You people seen to think that you can get away with anything.I took it at the nationals no more i don't have to and no one else has to.There are allot of feds out there uspf is not the only one.

Submitted by My name Bubba (not verified) on September 18, 2009 - 9:50pm. » login or register to post comments

what byour name so we can watch you lift at the WPF worlds?

Submitted by K.Tawzer (not verified) on September 19, 2009 - 2:34pm. » login or register to post comments

Hey anony(MOUSE):I might be wrong but I'm not sure if the APF will accept male lifters that wear lase on there panties or not you might want to check the rules out before joining.In fact i don't think the USPF dose ether.So you may not want to bother with going to the worlds .When you weigh in they can see what kind of under wear you've got on.In fact i am surprised you have gotten away with it this long .Just trying to help you out. Have fun in your new association.

Submitted by K.Tawzer (not verified) on September 19, 2009 - 8:30pm. » login or register to post comments

oops! Its lace sorry.Not lase

Submitted by Greg Baxter (not verified) on September 23, 2009 - 5:42am. » login or register to post comments

There is a saying that goes like this:
It is better to keep your mouth closed, and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Some of you have removed all doubt.
To Dennis Reneau, I say, "thank you" for your posts, and I agree with you in every respect.
To Ted Isabella: I expected more from you, Ted. You aired dirty laundry in a public forum, and you essentially made comments for the world to see. The damage has been done in a very irresponsible fashion. Where were the value-added comments that we so desperately needed from someone on the EC? Where was the necessary maturity needed to draw an outsider to the USPF?
Come on! You know better than that!