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Stan Efferding Calls out Johnnie Jackson

After begin denied a place in the meet that is supposed to determine the world's strongest Pro bodybuilder, the Duel in the Desert, fellow pro bodybuilder Stan Efferding (275) calls out meet competitors Johnnie Jackson and Ben White.

Efferding's 2,070 pound total ranks him first on the Powerlifting Watch Lifter Rankings and he holds the twelfth spot in the World on the Power Rankings.

Efferding will next compete on September 19 at the SPF POWER "Stimulus Package" Raw Meet at Super Training Gym in Sacramento, California. On the line will be Jon Cole's 2,250 pound total from 1972. It is the highest 275 class raw total in powerlifting history.

The following video includes Efferding squatting 850 pounds, bench pressing 585 pounds and deadlifting 825 pounds:

The Duel in the Desert will be held on September 26 at the Olympia. The winner of the contest will receive $10,000.

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Dang Strong!!!!!!!!!!! A freak, would love to see him do some damage sept 26th at the Olympia. How much does he weigh compared to the other bodybuilders that will be competing sept 26th. And why did he get denied entry?

Not positive, but his denial probably has to do with the fact that he is not sponsored by Muscle Tech and he will win and a MT athlete will not get the cash. The video is awesome and I love how he flat out called them out. It makes powerlifting exciting like a pre MMA match. Somthing like this, even friendly might make meets more entertaining.

Not only is he strong as hell, His work ethic is amazing. Good luck at your meet!

Great stuff. How cna you have a contest to determine the strongest bodybuilder, but not even have the strongest guy in it? That's like having a MMA tournament to determine the greatest middleweight, but not inviting Anderson Silva.

This guy is no joke, that 800x2 and 850 looked damn good.

Johnny who? Love it. It's PR like that which will draw viewers. PL could use some drama, nothing disrespectful, but some build-up is nice. Works well for MMA, boxing, etc.

Flat out AWESOME! And that is how PL can be main stream. Pulling some tactics from pro wrestling, boxing, MMA, etc which have all been successful is a great way to go. And Efferding seems to be the perfect personality for it. Now I can't wait for the show...and there isn't even one!

Keep this type of stuff up!

eggers wrote:
Now I can't wait for the show...and there isn't even one!

Same here.

someone needs to post this all over the body building boards

it was a good piece. he did not come off as a punk or jerk. guy seems pretty cool and not arrogant about it. wish him the best of luck.

This is my first post, and that vedio drew me out of the shawdows, that was an AWESOME video!

That was really cool. Only thing I would like to see is for bodybuilders to lock out their benches! Ronnie and Stan would both be red lighted for those half benches.

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Ronnie was training for BODYBUILDING. He was doing reps in such as fashion as to keep the tension on his pecs.

Stan is a proven powerlifter who has NO issues with his lockout. Actually, I think Stan's style of not totally locking out when benching for reps is not a bad idea at all.

those squats are DEEP! I agree with Stan...they are scared!

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Ronnie was training for BODYBUILDING. He was doing reps in such as fashion as to keep the tension on his pecs.

Stan is a proven powerlifter who has NO issues with his lockout. Actually, I think Stan's style of not totally locking out when benching for reps is not a bad idea at all.

I know it was a joke.

Good job Stan, i love it! It's clear that these guy don't want you in...too strong for them!! Someday they won't have a choice but to face you!!

im a big fan of stan efferding, this guy is awesome good luck stan hope u get invited and win the $$$$$

Stan is the man, but i think Ben White has him on the bench - overall, Stan is the best no doubt!

I have a really hard time saying this with a lump in my throat:

Stan is a bodybuilder and I like him. Hard not to be a fan.

Ugh! There I said it....

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I cant stand bodybuilders, but I like this guy, strong as hell

Johnnie has posted 372.5kg deadlift at 100kg bodyweight, so he is still pound for pound stronger if not on par with the pull.

They should let the three of them lift or its a bullshit competitipn. Eddy Ellwood has one of the biggest pulls for a pro bodybuilder, he has done 900 pound

Does it bother anyone else that one of if not the biggest cash payout for a powerlifting event will be going to a bodybuilder?

I love how he talks some good old fashioned trash to Johnnie Jackson, but doesn't even acknowledge Ben White.

Sean Katterle wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Does it bother anyone else that one of if not the biggest cash payout for a powerlifting event will be going to a bodybuilder?

No, because Ben White's a contest shirt and raw bencher and Johnnie Jackson's a competition deadlifter and full powerlifter. Both of these guys have put the work in to be jacked and ripped. Unless you're as big as Garry Frank or Zavickas or Siders (which pretty much counts out everyone), you're not very marketable in the gym world when you're sporting a gut. Some outta shape powerlifters should learn from this and cut out the unneccesary carbs and saturated fats and put in more time with the sled or on the treadmill. Besides, they'll feel better, have more energy and be able to easily tie their own shoes so it will be a win win for them to do so.

Stay Strong,
Sean
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I guess in the end this is all really good for the sport. I agree with you and the marketing aspect. That's why Matt K is doing so well right now

Nice!

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Anonymous wrote:
I love how he talks some good old fashioned trash to Johnnie Jackson, but doesn't even acknowledge Ben White.

That's because as far as I know JOJ is the only one who has put up a fight about Stan getting involved.

ya know i really like this guy until he went out and compared himself to ronnie coleman, or maybe it was just the guy that made the video.... but come on now u can even put the two in the same sentence...

Anonymous wrote:
ya know i really like this guy until he went out and compared himself to ronnie coleman, or maybe it was just the guy that made the video.... but come on now u can even put the two in the same sentence...

Because Stan is stronger than Ronnie (proven on the platform and in the gym...). It's really pretty easy to use them in the same sentence...

ronnie never competed on the so called platform and if he did he'd go down in history as the strongest bodybuilder that ever lived....

Simply amazing...guy brings the pain and the intensity and is an all around beast

Great video. That's one strong MF.
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If White or Jackson had any balls they would say they won't compete without Stan being invited. If they don't, the winner should not be able to call himself the world's strongest pro bber. Stan is a pro bber and one strong sob.

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Well, if you show a picture of Savickas and a picture of Ronnie Coleman to a ,,normal" human (unexperienced in lifting weights) they would be like: Oh this big dude, he looks strong as hell, a real man. Seeing Ronnie they would say: It's all drugs, and he is surely not nearly as strong as the tall dude (Savickas). I'm sure Strongmen are much more entertaining and marketable than bodybuilders and most people rather watch Strongman competitions!!

I am looking forward to competing with Stan at Mark's meet!!! I am a big Stan Fan!!! Amazing power... Hope to see him smash at least a 2,200 raw total.

RELAX!!!

FROM THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE:

"The Duel in the Desert debuts at the 2009 Olympia Expo, Saturday, September 26. The contest will be expanded next year to include any IFBB Pro League bodybuilder that has competed in at least one show in the same calendar year. "

The meet's already set. The schedule's set. The "duel" is set. A duel is two people. All this drama, but it will sell more tickets! LOL

The Duel in the Desert will happen at the same time as the OLYMPIA SUPERLIFTING BENCH PRESS on Saturday 3 PM on the main stage after the USPF D2 FULL POWERLIFTING NATIONALS on the large floor stage.

You know why this is great for the sport? Because it shows powerlifting for what it truly is: the greatest pissing contest in the history of mankind. Every die hard powerlifter from the greatest pro to the average chump lifts so he can beat someone else. You might squat, bench and pull like a mother****er in your garage, but you're not a powerlifter till you get on that platform and put it on the line to see if you can beat someone. It's a shame feuds and competition seems to be between feds and judges these days. They don't produce anything but bad blood and egos. Feuds and competition between lifters breed numbers that make our balls drop. Well at least those are my $0.02.

"Los numeros hablan por si solo!" = "Numbers speak for themselves."

Stan is awesome. I met him and watched him do the 825 raw deadlift at a Pride Contest in Kennewick, WA. Just Stan's warm up would kill most people. A really nice guy too.

Both Ben and Johnnie are fresh off doing a Pro bodybuilding contest, where Ben placed 5th. Do you guys really think they are going to be at their absolute strongest 5 weeks after that? It's about 2 guys who just competed against each other on stage and now are going to lift some heavy assed weight on the platform. When was Stan's last Pro bodybuilding contest? So the fact that you guys want Stan in there, in true off season mode it seems, against 2 guys who just competed is complete nonsense. Get over it Stan

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Pro bodybuilders, until very close to the contest, are not going to be any weaker than in the off-season. Why? They are UPPING the doses in the weeks prior to a contest, not the other way around. What you saw of Ronnie in his videos was him as good as it gets in my honest opinion.

uh Shawn they never come of test and BTW the best strength drug(tren) also rips you up to shreds man. BTW the Cost of Redemption was filmed about 4 months pre Olympia so Coleman although he may be off from his best wasnt that far off.

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Pro bodybuilders, until very close to the contest, are not going to be any weaker than in the off-season. Why? They are UPPING the doses in the weeks prior to a contest, not the other way around. What you saw of Ronnie in his videos was him as good as it gets in my honest opinion.


this couldn't be further from the truth. the further you go into a precontest diet the weaker you get. and by the end you are way weaker than you are offseason regardless of dosing. coleman's lifts were done about 1 month out there is no question he is measurably stronger in the offseason.

You guys actually think Chris Mason knows what he's talking about?

J Hernandez wrote:
You guys actually think Chris Mason knows what he's talking about?

Yes Chris knows what he's talking about.

Anonymous wrote:
J Hernandez wrote:
You guys actually think Chris Mason knows what he's talking about?

Yes Chris knows what he's talking about.


not in terms of strength levels on a precontest diet.

Chris Jenkins wrote:
They should let the three of them lift or its a bullshit competitipn. Eddy Ellwood has one of the biggest pulls for a pro bodybuilder, he has done 900 pound

I knew Eddie pulled 400kg and that is 881 lb. Where and when did he get 900?

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Ok, for instance, some bodybuilders GAIN weight to compete.

No, most pro bodybuilders are not giving a fuck about sodium a few months from a contest.

Yes, in the last few weeks prior to a contest when they may be depleting(which is only really perhaps a little over a week out on the high end) etc. they will be weaker, but not months out...

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Case in point. Steve Kuclo 11 weeks out from The Nationals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghtjBIc1gU&eurl=http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php%3Ftopic%3D296335.0&feature=player_embedded

He is not weaker than off-season in this video... Hey, but what the fuck do I know???

One thing about it, he isn't just talking smack. The dude can obviously back it up. You got to respect that.

Very strong, but they would have to compete by formula because Stan is so much bigger. So I think one of the smaller guys might have him.

Many bodybuilders are at their strongest during their precontest prep. Chris is right. Plus, what Sean said about the drugs isn't correct. For example, very heavy Anadrol use is common all the way up to a contest. Plus testosterone is used heavily all the way up (suspension is a favorite right before a show).

This guy has no business talking about this. This whole thing with JJ and Ben is about promotion.Promoting the Olympia. These guys have been around the Pro circuit longer than him. He just got his card. Is the promotion working? Yes!
These two guys have been at it for about 2 years now. Everyone wants to see it! He doesn't need to get invloved. I'm sure there are way stronger IFBB Pro bodybuilders stronger than JJ and Ben but its all a gimick for promotion.

Anonymous wrote:
This guy has no business talking about this. This whole thing with JJ and Ben is about promotion.Promoting the Olympia. These guys have been around the Pro circuit longer than him. He just got his card. Is the promotion working? Yes!
These two guys have been at it for about 2 years now. Everyone wants to see it! He doesn't need to get invloved. I'm sure there are way stronger IFBB Pro bodybuilders stronger than JJ and Ben but its all a gimick for promotion.

Who are the pro bodybuilders who are way stronger than Jackson and White?

Sean Katterle wrote:
William wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
ya know i really like this guy until he went out and compared himself to ronnie coleman, or maybe it was just the guy that made the video.... but come on now u can even put the two in the same sentence...

Because Stan is stronger than Ronnie (proven on the platform and in the gym...). It's really pretty easy to use them in the same sentence...

Those video clips of Ronnie are from his Olympia Expo prep. Off season, Coleman weighs at least 20 pounds more and he's considerably stronger. Stan's not gonna be moving the same amount of weight a couple of months out from the most competitive bodybuilding show in the world. Stan's awesome, but that video wasn't an accurate depiction of who's lifting what at their peak.

Stan needs to work on winning an IFBB pro show (or at least getting some Top 5 placings at high profile events like the Ironman Pro or the Montreal Pro) and then he'll secure his spot at next year's Olympia Duel in the Desert I'm sure. Turning pro is really, really tough, but guys like Jackson and White have won and/or placed Top 5 at some of the biggest IFBB competitions in addition to achieving their level of strength. It's the combo of being a top bodybuilder AND a terrific strength athlete that gives them so much star power in the industry.

Ronnie Coleman's an 8 x Mr. Olympia ! That puts him on the level of Lee Haney, Dorian Yates and Arnold Schwarzenegger + he's at the strength level of a world champion powerlifter.

Actually Sean, some of Ronnie's big lift videos were from a couple of months out from the Olympia, but some weren't. 8 weeks out he pulled 800x2 but with wrist wraps on (still pretty strong) and the bench video of him doing half reps with 495 for 4-5 reps wasn't that close to contest. Ronnie himself stated that in the last month before the Olympia each year he was only able to bench 365x10-12 and 315x10-12 on incline. That's considerably weaker. Ronnie was a very strong bodybuilder, but he was heavier when he performed his best lifts, and not a single one of them was anywhere near what you could call contest form. Stan Efferding isn't the best bodybuilder in the world, but it looks like he most certainly is the strongest. His squats are deeper and without a suit, he doesn't use straps for his deadlifts, and it looks like he's right on the cusp of a 600 pound touch and go raw bench. Ronnie never did any of that.

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Case in point. Steve Kuclo 11 weeks out from The Nationals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghtjBIc1gU&eurl=http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php%3Ftopic%3D296335.0&feature=player_embedded

He is not weaker than off-season in this video... Hey, but what the fuck do I know???


chris, steve kuclo is like 3 months out in that video and has a very offseason look still. honestly not to be rude, but unless you've done contest prep yourself you need to accept the fact that you don't know as much about this as you think you do.

Sean is right about this - this is very common knowledge - some of the guys have passed out, cramped severely, or in extreme rare conditions died (Mohammad Benaziza) on the day or days prior to competeing... although bodybuilders look super impressive and ripped during competition, they are in a very weak state during competition. even jonny jackson was only getting 5 reps or so with 315 on the bench and could barely bench 405 lbs even once close to competing, i saw this on youtube. Once you're body fat is under 5% i think it really starts affecting strength...

watch cost of redemption again. ronnie himself said that he's stronger at that part of his precontest than he is in the offseason. however of course if ronnie did compete in powerlifting and was just a average pro bodybuilder, those strength numbers could be higher. bottom line is that they are all strong and all should get respect.

Anonymous wrote:
chris mason wrote:
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Case in point. Steve Kuclo 11 weeks out from The Nationals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghtjBIc1gU&eurl=http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php%3Ftopic%3D296335.0&feature=player_embedded

He is not weaker than off-season in this video... Hey, but what the fuck do I know???


chris, steve kuclo is like 3 months out in that video and has a very offseason look still. honestly not to be rude, but unless you've done contest prep yourself you need to accept the fact that you don't know as much about this as you think you do.

Honestly I have competed in bodybuilding. In addition, the video was posted on another site as being 11 weeks out. You may want to double check...

Anonymous wrote:
Sean is right about this - this is very common knowledge - some of the guys have passed out, cramped severely, or in extreme rare conditions died (Mohammad Benaziza) on the day or days prior to competeing... although bodybuilders look super impressive and ripped during competition, they are in a very weak state during competition. even jonny jackson was only getting 5 reps or so with 315 on the bench and could barely bench 405 lbs even once close to competing, i saw this on youtube. Once you're body fat is under 5% i think it really starts affecting strength...

There is a big difference between using diuretics just prior to the competition and being in a depleted state vs. months before the contest when one is early in their prep. Goofy was referring to Ronnie in his video as being in a weakened state and that is pure bullshit. So, no, Sean, is not right at all in the context he is arguing.

Dude is a freakin' animal! All BS aside, Stan is one of the strongest guys out there, and the "trash talking" was fun to watch. I used to live in Dallas/Ft. Worth and saw Ronnie train firsthand at Metroflex Gym, and he was an animal, too. Is Stan stronger? Hard to say, but Ronnie was unquestionably one of the strongest guys I've ever seen. He used to train with Steve Goggins, and those two would move serious iron in multiple movements.

One thing I'd like to see is whether Stan could beat Ronnie's leg press, which was 2,300+....Not powerlifting, but would be interesting to compare. I personally saw Ronnie hit 12 reps with 2,000+, which I found really impressive. He also used to do rock-bottom Smith machine squats (down onto ankles) with 650-700 for reps, which I also found really impressive.

Something I think a lot of people forget is that many of the best bodybuilders in history were/are incredibly strong. Branch Warren, Johnnie Jackson (obviously), Ronnie, Stan, and so.... Markus Ruhl is another who comes to mind, and, of course, the Canadian monster Greg Kovacs.

Is Stan the strongest? Not sure as there are so many things to consider, but he's definitely up there. A raw powerlifting meet between ALL the top bodybuilders would be interesting to see as I think a lot of really big weights would get lifted.

Just my two cents....

By the way, lay off of Chris Mason....The guy was a great lifter and is a great guy! Let's all play nice!

Anonymous wrote:
Chris Jenkins wrote:
They should let the three of them lift or its a bullshit competitipn. Eddy Ellwood has one of the biggest pulls for a pro bodybuilder, he has done 900 pound

I knew Eddie pulled 400kg and that is 881 lb. Where and when did he get 900?

I heard he hit 405kg, which is 892....Anyone have video of this? He's supposed to be good at strongman, too, but I don't know much about him. Anyone have info?

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Actually, competing at the national level is not that different at all. I know/ have known quite a few bodybuilders. Your argument is NOT valid relative to the context. Period. Ronnie is an all-time great. He certainly is the better bodybuilder. That isn't the point. Never was.

Michael M. wrote:
Dude is a freakin' animal! All BS aside, Stan is one of the strongest guys out there, and the "trash talking" was fun to watch. I used to live in Dallas/Ft. Worth and saw Ronnie train firsthand at Metroflex Gym, and he was an animal, too. Is Stan stronger? Hard to say, but Ronnie was unquestionably one of the strongest guys I've ever seen. He used to train with Steve Goggins, and those two would move serious iron in multiple movements.

One thing I'd like to see is whether Stan could beat Ronnie's leg press, which was 2,300+....Not powerlifting, but would be interesting to compare. I personally saw Ronnie hit 12 reps with 2,000+, which I found really impressive. He also used to do rock-bottom Smith machine squats (down onto ankles) with 650-700 for reps, which I also found really impressive.

Something I think a lot of people forget is that many of the best bodybuilders in history were/are incredibly strong. Branch Warren, Johnnie Jackson (obviously), Ronnie, Stan, and so.... Markus Ruhl is another who comes to mind, and, of course, the Canadian monster Greg Kovacs.

Is Stan the strongest? Not sure as there are so many things to consider, but he's definitely up there. A raw powerlifting meet between ALL the top bodybuilders would be interesting to see as I think a lot of really big weights would get lifted.

Just my two cents....

By the way, lay off of Chris Mason....The guy was a great lifter and is a great guy! Let's all play nice!

Thanks, but I am not "ox" Mason. I am a different guy. Ox is certainly the better lifter of the two of us.

chris mason wrote:
Michael M. wrote:
Dude is a freakin' animal! All BS aside, Stan is one of the strongest guys out there, and the "trash talking" was fun to watch. I used to live in Dallas/Ft. Worth and saw Ronnie train firsthand at Metroflex Gym, and he was an animal, too. Is Stan stronger? Hard to say, but Ronnie was unquestionably one of the strongest guys I've ever seen. He used to train with Steve Goggins, and those two would move serious iron in multiple movements.

One thing I'd like to see is whether Stan could beat Ronnie's leg press, which was 2,300+....Not powerlifting, but would be interesting to compare. I personally saw Ronnie hit 12 reps with 2,000+, which I found really impressive. He also used to do rock-bottom Smith machine squats (down onto ankles) with 650-700 for reps, which I also found really impressive.

Something I think a lot of people forget is that many of the best bodybuilders in history were/are incredibly strong. Branch Warren, Johnnie Jackson (obviously), Ronnie, Stan, and so.... Markus Ruhl is another who comes to mind, and, of course, the Canadian monster Greg Kovacs.

Is Stan the strongest? Not sure as there are so many things to consider, but he's definitely up there. A raw powerlifting meet between ALL the top bodybuilders would be interesting to see as I think a lot of really big weights would get lifted.

Just my two cents....

By the way, lay off of Chris Mason....The guy was a great lifter and is a great guy! Let's all play nice!

Thanks, but I am not "ox" Mason. I am a different guy. Ox is certainly the better lifter of the two of us.

Good to know....I feel like a dick now. LMFAO

Holy crap! I just viewed the video and I got all excited. Those in the community know me as the little fat guy who lives to announce at the meets and provide music to psyche up the lifters. After watching that, I had to go into my garage studio and work on music for the Olympia. Regards to all brothers and sisters in the power game. BFC aka Big Fat Chuck LaMantia

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By the way, what is the song in that video?

Ice Cube (Feat. Snoop Dogg & Lil' Jon) - Go To Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgUvY9wZsY

chris mason wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
chris mason wrote:
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Case in point. Steve Kuclo 11 weeks out from The Nationals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghtjBIc1gU&eurl=http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php%3Ftopic%3D296335.0&feature=player_embedded

He is not weaker than off-season in this video... Hey, but what the fuck do I know???


chris, steve kuclo is like 3 months out in that video and has a very offseason look still. honestly not to be rude, but unless you've done contest prep yourself you need to accept the fact that you don't know as much about this as you think you do.

Honestly I have competed in bodybuilding. In addition, the video was posted on another site as being 11 weeks out. You may want to double check...


chris 11 weeks out is one week short of three months, it's the same thing for all intents and purposes. coleman is deep into his diet (5 weeks out) and kuclo is still in the early/easy stages of his, the difference makes your example using kuclo irrelevant.

All this bodybuilding stuff is so boring... don't care about the diet and stuff. Just get on the platform and lift!! Bring on the wilk and show us who's the best!! If you are on diet your wilk is better so... With Mark on is side, Stan is man!

Anonymous wrote:
chris mason wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
chris mason wrote:
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Case in point. Steve Kuclo 11 weeks out from The Nationals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghtjBIc1gU&eurl=http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php%3Ftopic%3D296335.0&feature=player_embedded

He is not weaker than off-season in this video... Hey, but what the fuck do I know???


chris, steve kuclo is like 3 months out in that video and has a very offseason look still. honestly not to be rude, but unless you've done contest prep yourself you need to accept the fact that you don't know as much about this as you think you do.

Honestly I have competed in bodybuilding. In addition, the video was posted on another site as being 11 weeks out. You may want to double check...


chris 11 weeks out is one week short of three months, there's no need to double check it's the same thing for all intents and purposes. coleman is deep into his diet (5 weeks out) and kuclo is still in the early/easy stages of his, the difference makes your example using kuclo irrelevant.

Lol, you got me on the 11 weeks, I was having a brain cramp. With that said, the differences do not make the reference irrelevant. We will have to agree to disagree. Perhaps I can get a better bodybuilding authority to chime in on pre-contest dieting. One that you might believe.

i think hes the strongest bber out there!

Those videos of Ronnie were from the first week of August, 2003. The Olympia was October 25 that year...so he was 12 weeks out. NOT "deep into a diet" or severely depleted.

Eddy Elwood has pulled around 900 pound, I have a friend Giles Thomas who has some pic's of him pulling it

http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ellwood,+Eddie

Sean Katterle wrote:
1) Here's a photo of Ronnie during the off season:

http://fitblog.biz/uploads/posts/thumbs/1178028153_coleman_1.jpeg

He doesn't look like that in his DVDs. Why? Because he's already been dieting down for awhile. No one lifts at 100% when they've been dieting down for weeks like that.

2) I hope that Stan does get to lift at the next Duel in the Desert. From a promotional standpoint, the best move would be to have Jackson lift against White, Stan do a pro show or two between now and the Summer of 2010 and then have Stan compete against this year's winner at the next Olympia.

3) Watch any Battle for the Olympia DVD that you want (there's over 18 discs worth of material.) The IFBB pros comment over and over again that they're dieting down and on lower carbs and/or lower sodium and that they can't lift as heavy as they lift in the off season. It's not some cover up conspiracy. They just can't lift as much weight once they've dieted down to training video condition.

Not to sound like a know it all or anything but having competed a dozen times and having worked with over 200 competitors on prep I can tell you that most competitors do not restrict sodium or water til the last week (though it actually doesn't work and so I don't recommend it at all; but that's another debate).

Most of them get stronger during prep up until about 6-12 weeks out depending upon the individual. You can get stronger during prep, but you cross a threshold of bodyfat (typically your bodyfat setpoint) where your body begins to fight you and you start losing fat around the joints which leads to a loss of leverage & stability and makes maintaining strength difficult. But certainly; many people get stronger during prep up to a point. But if you are 1-2 weeks out and you are in shredded condition; yes typically you will be weaker

BioLayne wrote:
Sean Katterle wrote:
1) Here's a photo of Ronnie during the off season:

http://fitblog.biz/uploads/posts/thumbs/1178028153_coleman_1.jpeg

He doesn't look like that in his DVDs. Why? Because he's already been dieting down for awhile. No one lifts at 100% when they've been dieting down for weeks like that.

2) I hope that Stan does get to lift at the next Duel in the Desert. From a promotional standpoint, the best move would be to have Jackson lift against White, Stan do a pro show or two between now and the Summer of 2010 and then have Stan compete against this year's winner at the next Olympia.

3) Watch any Battle for the Olympia DVD that you want (there's over 18 discs worth of material.) The IFBB pros comment over and over again that they're dieting down and on lower carbs and/or lower sodium and that they can't lift as heavy as they lift in the off season. It's not some cover up conspiracy. They just can't lift as much weight once they've dieted down to training video condition.

Not to sound like a know it all or anything but having competed a dozen times and having worked with over 200 competitors on prep I can tell you that most competitors do not restrict sodium or water til the last week (though it actually doesn't work and so I don't recommend it at all; but that's another debate).

Most of them get stronger during prep up until about 6-12 weeks out depending upon the individual. You can get stronger during prep, but you cross a threshold of bodyfat (typically your bodyfat setpoint) where your body begins to fight you and you start losing fat around the joints which leads to a loss of leverage & stability and makes maintaining strength difficult. But certainly; many people get stronger during prep up to a point. But if you are 1-2 weeks out and you are in shredded condition; yes typically you will be weaker

I totally agree with you.

Anonymous wrote:
watch cost of redemption again. ronnie himself said that he's stronger at that part of his precontest than he is in the offseason. however of course if ronnie did compete in powerlifting and was just a average pro bodybuilder, those strength numbers could be higher. bottom line is that they are all strong and all should get respect.

i'm no pro BB but i have competed for over 9 years . there's a point when dieting down that your strength goes up sharply for a week or 2 but that about it then it drop .

those two aint on stans level, how old is stan the man anyway i heard he's competing in the masters and thats makes me respect him even more giving the young guns a run for their money

Thanks to everyone for their support. I'm training hard and having fun so I hope you are too. Firstly, mad respect to Ronnie, never attempted to make comparisons here, just couldn't find any video of JOJ or Ben squatting and wanted to provide a little perspective next to Ronnnie that FREAK!! I've only competed in two powerlifting meets and two bench/dead meets in my life so I'm still learning. Two of those were in 1996/1997 and the other two in Nov 2008 and April 2009. I competed in bodybuilding since 1988 and did about 25 shows between then and 1997 including winning the 1991 Mr Oregon, 6th at the 1992 Junior Nationals, didn't place in 1993 Mr USA, 1st in the Emerald Cup in 1996 or 7? (I forget). Then i took ten years off and started bodybuilding again winning the Superheavy's at 2006 Emerald Cup then Overall at the 2008 Emerald Cup then did the other two powerlifting meets I referred to including a 2,070 Raw total earning me the #1 Raw Ranking in America. Then I trained with Flex Wheeler for 6 months and won the Masters Nationals in July 2009. Now I'm training with Mark Bell at Supertraining gym in Sacramento for an all time Raw World Record attempt on Sept 19th here in Sacramento, I have to total over 2250 to beat John Coles 1972 record (275). Konstantin Konstantinov has the current #1 Raw ranking in the world with a 2217 total in the 308 class. As you can see from the video, I've been hitting big enough lifts in the gym to eclipse that should I remain healthy. And all the thanks goes to Mark for his great coaching. I struggled with 755 squat at my last meet and now 800 feels easy and that 850 seems doable again if my knee caps don't shoot across the room. After I'll be getting ready for the IFBB Ironman Pro in LA in January where JOJ and Ben will have plenty of opportunity to redeem themselves against this old dinosaur (I turn 42 next month). I'll be at the Olympia making an announcement which I'll post the video here, hopefully you can come by and say Hello. Thanks again!!

Stan Efferding wrote:
Thanks to everyone for their support. I'm training hard and having fun so I hope you are too. Firstly, mad respect to Ronnie, never attempted to make comparisons here, just couldn't find any video of JOJ or Ben squatting and wanted to provide a little perspective next to Ronnnie that FREAK!! I've only competed in two powerlifting meets and two bench/dead meets in my life so I'm still learning. Two of those were in 1996/1997 and the other two in Nov 2008 and April 2009. I competed in bodybuilding since 1988 and did about 25 shows between then and 1997 including winning the 1991 Mr Oregon, 6th at the 1992 Junior Nationals, didn't place in 1993 Mr USA, 1st in the Emerald Cup in 1996 or 7? (I forget). Then i took ten years off and started bodybuilding again winning the Superheavy's at 2006 Emerald Cup then Overall at the 2008 Emerald Cup then did the other two powerlifting meets I referred to including a 2,070 Raw total earning me the #1 Raw Ranking in America. Then I trained with Flex Wheeler for 6 months and won the Masters Nationals in July 2009. Now I'm training with Mark Bell at Supertraining gym in Sacramento for an all time Raw World Record attempt on Sept 19th here in Sacramento, I have to total over 2250 to beat John Coles 1972 record (275). Konstantin Konstantinov has the current #1 Raw ranking in the world with a 2217 total in the 308 class. As you can see from the video, I've been hitting big enough lifts in the gym to eclipse that should I remain healthy. And all the thanks goes to Mark for his great coaching. I struggled with 755 squat at my last meet and now 800 feels easy and that 850 seems doable again if my knee caps don't shoot across the room. After I'll be getting ready for the IFBB Ironman Pro in LA in January where JOJ and Ben will have plenty of opportunity to redeem themselves against this old dinosaur (I turn 42 next month). I'll be at the Olympia making an announcement which I'll post the video here, hopefully you can come by and say Hello. Thanks again!!

Much respect to you but you are not the strongest bodybuilder out there by a long shot. I would argue that your teammates, Cartwright and Bell, are stronger then you and have better physiques.

grissinger wrote:
Stan Efferding wrote:
Thanks to everyone for their support. I'm training hard and having fun so I hope you are too. Firstly, mad respect to Ronnie, never attempted to make comparisons here, just couldn't find any video of JOJ or Ben squatting and wanted to provide a little perspective next to Ronnnie that FREAK!! I've only competed in two powerlifting meets and two bench/dead meets in my life so I'm still learning. Two of those were in 1996/1997 and the other two in Nov 2008 and April 2009. I competed in bodybuilding since 1988 and did about 25 shows between then and 1997 including winning the 1991 Mr Oregon, 6th at the 1992 Junior Nationals, didn't place in 1993 Mr USA, 1st in the Emerald Cup in 1996 or 7? (I forget). Then i took ten years off and started bodybuilding again winning the Superheavy's at 2006 Emerald Cup then Overall at the 2008 Emerald Cup then did the other two powerlifting meets I referred to including a 2,070 Raw total earning me the #1 Raw Ranking in America. Then I trained with Flex Wheeler for 6 months and won the Masters Nationals in July 2009. Now I'm training with Mark Bell at Supertraining gym in Sacramento for an all time Raw World Record attempt on Sept 19th here in Sacramento, I have to total over 2250 to beat John Coles 1972 record (275). Konstantin Konstantinov has the current #1 Raw ranking in the world with a 2217 total in the 308 class. As you can see from the video, I've been hitting big enough lifts in the gym to eclipse that should I remain healthy. And all the thanks goes to Mark for his great coaching. I struggled with 755 squat at my last meet and now 800 feels easy and that 850 seems doable again if my knee caps don't shoot across the room. After I'll be getting ready for the IFBB Ironman Pro in LA in January where JOJ and Ben will have plenty of opportunity to redeem themselves against this old dinosaur (I turn 42 next month). I'll be at the Olympia making an announcement which I'll post the video here, hopefully you can come by and say Hello. Thanks again!!

Much respect to you but you are not the strongest bodybuilder out there by a long shot. I would argue that your teammates, Cartwright and Bell, are stronger then you and have better physiques.

Now that's just hysterical. LOL

www.supertraininggym.com

Efferding is amazingly strong. The only reservations about all-time raw record breaking is that:

1. The meet is being held at the gym he trains at.

2. It's sanctioned by the SPF.

If Stan had the time, it would be cool if he did Raw Unity, but I think it conflicts with his bodybuilding prep, so it's understandable.