More Impressive

just remember Konstantinovs didnt take any token lifts to achieve this amazing RAW feat of strength... with all due respect to Mr. Bolton i think we all can agree which lift is a little more impressive here..

YES. I CONCUR WITH THAT BIT OF KNOWLEGDE. IT IS GOOD TO GO.............

"There is no point in being alive if you cannot do the DeadLift." Jon Pall Sigmarsson...(CONVENTIONAL THAT IS). OLD SCHOOL. There are two types of lifters, those that wish they could DeadLift and those that, Do It....

i had to look up concur...but now that i lknow the meaning of it i´ll have to say i do concur too my ironbrothers

long live king konstantin

Someone let Chris Mason know about this poll. Interesting.

69 pounds for a suit and belt - sounds about right. I think the deadlifts are about equal but KK is much lighter so his lift is more impressive.

Konstantinovs'....although both of them are just insane...

Konstatinovos is more impressive, but I would have to say that Andy's would be a better pick for best lift of the year or something along that category, just for the fact that it is the highest deadlift ever recorded.

Both lifters are crazy strong if they went head to head deadlift only or full meet deadlift who would pull more, none of that lb for lb. stuff just who would pull the most also I am confused if kk could pull over 1000 using a belt to take boltons record why don't he do it?

These two are way ahead of anybody else right now

Bolton hands down. I see people talking about how KK could pull more than Andy but seeing the time and work it took for Andy to add 5 pounds to beat his old 1003 record I think the record is safe for quite some time. Plus I think I read somewhere Bolton pulled raw more than 939 once but I might be mistaken on that.

KK is no doubt stronger than Bolton,
his 939 was without even a belt,so he probabley
could've gotten 960 with one. Add a suit?
You're talking somewhere between 1020-1030 at less than 300 lbs!

"1020-1030" I think your being a bit too optimistic there, but I think we will see 1003 out of him in the near future. I'm going to have to vote for KK on this one mostly based on lb. for lb. strength. I think the amount Bolton pulled with just a belt was 947, so theres realy not much difference there.

Haha ok since 1008 is less than 939. Bolton gets my vote as he has the biggest pull but I'm rooting for KK!

has everyone forgotten bolton pulled 948 raw

I could be wrong but wasn't bolton's meet a dl only meet and kk was a full meet

Bolton's 947 was withabelt and 50+ more lbs. bodyweight, so kk is way stronger!If bolton had to pull raw with no belt, i doubt he could get more than 925-928.

yeah at like 360 or 370 vs. KK at 280... Im sure that 80lbs. of BW doesnt help you to pull 9 more lbs.

lol, people crack me up.

so i guess bolton is weaker since he pulled more huh.. by your guys theory lamar gant is the strongest man who lived..

KK hands down, the man is a beast!

For me it has to be Bolton, no one else has ever pulled a grand. No one

KK is an immense deadlifter, but this is powerlfiting and he who pulls the most wins. If you want to bring body weight into the discussion; then 901 at 220 sounds more impressive than 939 at 275. Just to make this argument even more ridiculous than it already is :0)

I think the real achievement here is that we have two great deadlifters who are both pulling well in excess of 900lbs. Why is has to be one guy is better at the expense of the other I have no idea. Can't they both just be great and have everyones admiration??

I think everyone here needs to remember that Andy is the only man ever to pull over 1000. And he's now done it twice.

It's great sitting at your computers saying that KK could do 1000+ with a belt and a suit, but the simple fact is, until he does it, it's all talk.

Also, something interesting to look at when trying to predict what these two great deadlifters will pull next is how easy Andy's 1008 (457.5) and recent 440 and the BPC British were. KK's raw pull of 939 was amazing, as was his equipped 948. BUT they looked hard as hell.

Andy always looks well within himself. I think the gap will widen. I think Andy will pull more than 1008 in the near future and it will be some time before we see KK get to 1000, if he ever does.

IT is a freaking deadlift suit and it is a inzer hardcore. If anything it prevents him from getting a hernia. You guys make it seem like it gets 150lbs out of it.

Two things are obivous: with 1008 being 69 pounds more than 939, Bolton is absolutely stronger than KK. and because kk's pull is 3.32 times bodyweight and Bolton's is only 2.90, KKis proportionaitly stronger than Bolton.

What we are trying to decide is whose pull was more impressive. KK's pull was extremely fast, looked as hard as hell, and it tto me like he almost lost his grip at the end. So bolton wins.

if KK gets it up to 975+ then maybe you'd have an argument.

problem is that by the time he does that, andy will have already pulled 1020 at the worlds in november!

Lost his grip? Compared to Boltons 1003, KKs lift was rock solid.

I think a good belt and suit can easily throw add an additional 100 to your DL. I get about 85 pounds or so from my single ply suit so I can only imagine what a jacked up double ply could do. So now KK is looking at a 1035-1040. I think it could be done in time for him.

I think a good belt and suit can easily throw add an additional 100 to your DL. I get about 85 pounds or so from my single ply suit so I can only imagine what a jacked up double ply could do. So now KK is looking at a 1035-1040. I think it could be done in time for him.[/quote]

you dont know what you are talking about.

watch kk's lift again. not in a million years would his grip hold an additional 100 pounds.

Have KK and AB get rid of the suits and do it raw. Head to head on the same platform. Then run the numbers through the wilks. That way there'll be no more argument. Maybe they are equal. Can anyone raw a grand? We are approaching the upper limits of human strength. Powerlifters at this level are fighting the laws of diminishing return.

According to the Wilks Formula: http://spayced.programming.googlepages.com/wilks.html

Andy Bolton @ 346.7 lbs / weight he was during the 1008lb deadlift.

Andy would have to raw pull exactly 969.48 lbs @ the 346.7 lbs bodyweight to exactly equal KK's 939lb @ 281.6lbs.

Check it out for yourself
KK's 939lbs @ 281.6lbs
AB's 969.48lbs @ 346.7lbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66KuvEwa9YY

He does 971 with the suit but almost bails. He is also always wearing a belt. He might be able to raw 969.48 but it would be very tight. The most he's rawed in competition is 946 with a belt. His lifts after that were done in suits. Is he getting 38.52 extra lbs out of his gear. Watch the video and decide for yourself. I believe these two are very close in relative strength. I believe the wilks formula is based off a huge average of comp lifts. It has to be very accurate. If Bolton deadlifted 939 raw at 346.7 lbs it would not be as impressive as KK's 939@281.6. But 969@346 would be. Make sense?

To play devil's advocate, the Wilkes was not developed to compare individual lifts but rather powerlifting totals. In the general population of competitive powerlifters, the bench press and squat are affected more by bodyweight than the deadlift. As such, using the Wilkes to compare deadlifts puts heavier lifters at an disadvantage (because it overestimates the role of bodywieght in the lift).

By the way, I think both of these guys are incredible and I am reluctant to pick one (but I voted for AB).

To follow up on the above point, using the Wilkes to compare bench presses or squats puts lighter lifters at a relative disadvantage (relative, that is, to using the Wilkes as intended--to compare totals).

Continued from above:

http://www.isu.edu/~andesean/wform.htm

Quote regarding further investigation of Wilks.
Thanks to Dr. Dave Bracken, an Los Alamos nuclear physicist and world champion powerlifter for this answer!

"When the Wilks coefficients are used on a single lift deadlift meet it greatly favors the lighter lifters since deadlifts alone do not increase as fast with body weight as total does."

According to this study I would have given KK the benefit of the doubt. Meaning:

KK's 939lbs @ 281.6lbs
AB Would have to raw pull = to or no more than 969.48lbs @ 346.7lbs and obviously more than 939lbs.

I would say this is the best argument determining who's better. Can Bolton pull less than or = to 969.48 Raw. According to the Wilks math and study if Andy raw pulled anything more than 969.48lb he'd be the guaranteed better puller. Andy needs to raw pull something between 939 and 969.48 to be the best. A 970 or more is a guaranteed better pull. We now know one thing for sure. KK and AB are obviously less than 30.48lbs apart in determining who's the best. Boltons raw 946 narrows that down even more. Plus common sense says Bolton needs to pull at least 940 something due to the bodyweight advantage which would narrow the 30.48lbs down even more. My guesstimate would be these two lifters are unbiasly within 5lbs. relatively of each other. I think Bolton would have to raw pull at least 953-960 to equal KK. Since AB pulled 946 raw a few years ago he could probably do it.

http://www.isu.edu/~andesean/wform.htm

Found this article. One from above comment. Says Mike Bridges P4P strongest ever. Kind of cool facts.

andy bolton has deadlifted over 900 over 20 times did 925 then 933 then 971 then 1008. in 1989 he was already a great deadlifter. he rules the deadlift . konstatinovs will not have this longevity.

this may be true, but the topic is about 2 individual lifts, not 2 powerlifting careers....

Benedikt Magnusson pulled 450 kg(992pounds) raw in training for Arnold Classic 2008 where he pulled 1103 hummer tire lift

i would rather be the bigger man lifting the bigger weights period. that pound 4 pound stuff is cute and holds my attention 4 about 1/2 second. the wilks formula cute also the only math i'm concerned with is adding more weight onto my lifts.

pics or it didnt happen.

well said. i agree completely, people that think because your have a better lift to bw ratio are trying to justify they just arent strong enough to lift the heavy weight.. no matter WHAT bodyweight.

KK pull is cool, but the suit dont even give bolton 40 pounds of carryover, DL suit technology sucks, I think they are both pretty equal. how bout this for a competititon:

bendict magnulson Vs. Andy bolton Vs. KK

Can you tell me next weeks lottery numbers?

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so you think KK will be DLing over 900 in another 15 years? the point is, andy pulled 900 20 years ago, kk approx. 4-5.

the chances kk is pulling consistently over 900 for the next FIFTEEN years are low to say the least. and thats not meant as a slight on kk at all.

so you think KK will be DLing over 900 in another 15 years? the point is, andy pulled 900 20 years ago, kk approx. 4-5.

the chances kk is pulling consistently over 900 for the next FIFTEEN years are low to say the least. and thats not meant as a slight on kk at all.