More Impressive Squat

The squat clearly bellow parrallel aka Scott Smiths.

However both are fine examples of different lifts.

I agree, this is a stupid question and we all know where it's going to lead up to.

Why the fuck would they ask this question?...Clearly Vogelpohl.

Come on. Raw, deep, and walked out compared to geared to the max, high as a kite, and from a monolift?????

chucks was much better. he can squat more than 830 raw.

it doesn't matter what chuck can do unequipped....the comparison is of the two competition lifts. my vote goes to Scott Smith. it is a more impressive lift. period.

I agree no question Vogelpohl.

It has always been my experience that it is much easier and you are more successful when you go from gear to raw then vice-versa. IMO Chuck would be able to squat 830 raw with much less work than it would take Scott to squat 1110 in full gear. Thus, Chuck gets my vote! Both lifts very impressive though!

there is no question in my mind that scott's lift was more impressive. He was raw and walked out and chuck, like alot of other multi ply lifters, was extremely high.

no the squat was not high he was parallel you do not get extra credit for going to low. chucks was better.

Just showing example what people can get out of gear,Beau Moore squatted 1126(actually saw it), wearing briefs, hardcore Inzer suit and Inzer wraps,and his raw squat at a meet was 743 during that time. 383 pound difference. He also squatted 744 raw in 2008. Sam Byrd at a lighter body weight normally then Chuck Vogelpohl, and he gets 350 plus carryover, 705 raw at 210, 1050 at 198, what do you think Chuck Vogelpohl gets out of his gear which he is a master at! I give Chuck Vogelpohl credit for putting 1110 on his back and squatting with it, plus being his best world record squat depth wise he did, but come on now! That is why I think Scott Smith 830 squat with just knee wraps is more impressive. Scott Smith also squatted 782 raw too! Scott Smith had to walk out the weight, set up, and had to go deeper, plus it looked like he had more in him when did squat the weight! If people think that Chuck Vogelpohl can walk out 830 pounds with just knee wraps and a belt at good legal standard depth, I must say what ever makes people happy I guess! Scott Smith may not squat 1110 pounds or more with gear, because it takes along time to learn the gear, but squatting an easy 830 knee wrap squat and a 782 pound raw squat is very impressive!

Both are very impressive I cant squat 830 raw or 1110 with gear. Great job to both lifters.

byrd squatted 800 in knee wraps and a belt.

I personally saw Chuck @ WSB squat in just single ply briefs and belt 800+120lbs chain and blues to parallel in 2001!

He could squat 900+ in belt and wraps for sure.

What can Scott Smith lift equipped???

Smith's lift is far better. 830 with just knee wraps beats 1110 in a clown suit above parallel.

Yeah, squating to parallel is high. The rules in any LAGITAMATE powerlifting federation states that the top of the hip must BREAK parallel with the KNEES. so yes the squat was high

If you're going to write a word in capital letters you should really spell it correctly, or at least close. My God. As for your "lagitamate" federations, 99% of them have the same requirements for depth. I hope your parents paid for your schooling because I'd be pissed if I blew that much money.

My spelling has nothing to do with powerlifting, so why are you talking about it? This is a powerlifting forum. I personally dont care what you think about my spelling, I am just here to give my opinion, and my opinion is that multi ply gear was a horrible mistake for powerlifting. Not to mention the fact that most federations dont follow the bellow parallel rule. I dont care what anyone says about judging depth. Im here to say that most federations, if not all federations that allow multi ply gear have no idea were propper depth is, or they at least they dont call the lifters at this point. So, if you have anything to say about powerlifting i would be glad to read it but if your going to make stupid remarks about spelling that dont matter then i would appreciate it if you just kept your mouth shut. Or at least stop being a coward and show your name Mr. Anonymous

Yeah, since I didn't post with my name! Reading and writing now. Big day for you. Keep lifting in your happy little USAPL world where everyone is drug-free and the squats are 3 in below parallel. When you decide to see how strong you really are, try different gear and federations and then when you lose you can complain about something else not being fair. How can you talk like you know how every federation is ran when I doubt you've seen anything but one or two feds first hand?

You're an ignorant baboon if you think that today's single ply is that far behind multiply. My God, have you ever worn multiply? You think that because your super katana or harnessed centurion is one ply your lifts are more "lagitamate"? I've done 815 in mutliply compared to my 700 USAPL and that was 2 years ago! I'd be shocked if I was getting more than 75 lbs in double ply! Same for bench and deadlift, numerous times I've benched and deadlifted more in the USAPL than in the IPA! Look at what Hoss just did or Mark Bell, Mike Womack, Tiny Meeker and tons more who lift a ton in single or multiply. You're an ignorant fool. You keep lifting how you want and I'll keep lifting more you "chance198" whatever the hell that means.

Abe Harrod

WOW!!! Iv never seen someone turn into such a cry baby over a little comment. Yes i do think that the one ply lifts are more lagit. Im am not saying, however, that the multiply lifters are not strong. I am just saying that they are not head and shoulders stronger than the single ply lifters, like they think they are. You think that you dont get that much out of muly ply. Look at Sam Byrd. He squated 1107 equiped and then did 700 raw at NERB. Now i am not saying that Sam Byrd is not Strong because he is incredibly strong, I am just pointing out that there is a 407 pound difference between his raw and equiped maxes (thats more than a 50% increase), so dont give me this crap about multi ply not helping that much. Or look at Ryan Kennelly, again an incredibly strong dude but his 1075 turn into 650-700 really quick when he takes that bullet proof bench press shirt off. And what does what Hoss did have anything to do with what we are talking about. He was in a single ply squat suit so congratulations. And to answer your previous question i have worn multi ply befor. I am a 198 and i tried on my friends laviathon( my friend is a 242 by the way) and i loaded up a 70 pound pr and got is with ease so there is no telling how much it would have helped me if it actually fit. And about me being an ignorant fool, Im not the one that doesnt know what chance198 means. My name is chance and i lift at 198. Its not that freakin hard to figure out.

HOSS! That's who would get my vote. Add him. Now.

1. How many people do you think have the name Chance that read this forum. You sir are the anonymous pussy.

2. Yes, you get huge carry over with GEAR regardless of how many plies it is. Mike Womack and Tiny Meeker probably bench 650 at most raw and 950 in a SINGLE ply shirt (there's your 50% increase jerk off). Same with Mark Bell. Sam Byrd has squatted over 800 with just wraps on! And since you seem to know nothing of the sport, Hoss lifts multi and single ply. He's done 1003x3 in multiply. Gear is gear!

3. I said, I don't get much MORE out of multiply than single ply. I get 200+ pounds out of a single ply squat suit! It's really amazing you've even figured this internet thing out with your demonstrated IQ.

i agree I think this poll needs a third option...

Sorry for the ranting! 1800 cal day makes me grumpy. LETS SEE HOSS ON THE POLL!!!

Listen i am sorry that i pissed you off but i dont think that you would be getting so mad if you didnt think that what i was saying was at least a little bit true. I just wanted to give my opinion on who's squat was better and why. And thats all that it is is my opinion. You are allowed to disagree with me, but for future references, people dont like it when randon strangers starts spouting random insults at them for not reason. I think that your comments speak for themselves Mr. Harrod. Next time i want to have a reasonable discussion about powerlifting, remind me not to talk to you about it. If you want to talk about spelling go to a class room, not a powerlifting forum

its done more than make you grumpy if you are thinking womack could bench 650 rrraaaawwww

Vogelpohl's lift is far better. 1110 on his back squatted back up demonstrates unbelievable strength and beats 830 in baggy panties.

What can Scott Smiths do in full gear?

Scott Cartwright's squat should be pitted against Chuck's squat.

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So what if we already voted before Cartwright's squat was added? Not really fair to add a third option and those who have already voted cannot vote again. Just saying my opinion. Great squats by all three men no matter the gear or anything.

Agree that it's not accurate. However, people were asking to have him added.

More weight, passed by judges.... Chuck!

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Why not? Would one of them cry?

Putting over a 1000 lbs on your back is one thing...actually walking it out and squatting it is quite another. Scott Cartwright should take this.

That's what I been sayin. 1000 lbs and 1100 lbs are gargantuan achievements. It's a toss up between Scott Cartwright and Chuck Vogelpohl for me.

All the lifts were awesome in their own right, but in my opinion, any time there is a close debate about the most awesomest ever, (yes thats a word. If i used its a real damn word!), my vote will go to the raw lifter. Scot's 830 is the heaviest raw, knee wrap squat done in a long time. If it was so common or so easy, people would be banging it out like Chance's mom! haha Sorry Chance, just kidding, dont delete me Jon.

Scott Weech did 837 in January 2009 without knee wraps and with good depth.

VOGELPOHL! 1150 @ 275 watch the video its crazy and now 1110 @ 242 Hands Down Vogelpohl

Man, you just cant say anything on this web site without being slammed can you Sam? haha, im just kidding too. Its all good.

The squat is definitely the most controversial lift of the three. I think powerlifting has to become more simplified! Powerlifting has to become completely raw or multi gear, drug tested and non drug tested and have top 100 raw and geared lifting! At least majority of powerlifters would be happy! I think mono lift,belt,wrist wraps is just secondary, but if everybody agrees on a certain term, then that would be fine. I think powerlifting gear is gear, single ply, wraps or muti ply. The multi gear guys can do what they want and raw guys can do they want! Powerlifting has to become more clear to understand, it is getting to ridiculous. I hope someday(of coarse this probably never happen, money) is cut down on the federations too, less than five, combine the organization's with same interests so at least powerlifting becomes more creditable! Shit is so stupid anymore, we just complain, to bad powerlifting can't be more fun in terms of competition with each other! I love to see the best squatters in the world lift raw so gear has no effect on the lift and see who really is the best squatter's in the world are or who is the best powerlifter! Have big pool of money and see who is the best! Who knows which squat is the best!

I didn't say IPF now did I. Benching is certainly not one of the IPf's strong lifts seeing as how you have to follow more rules than a catholic priest! (Don't freak out cause I brought religion in it's gonna be ok!)

This is the problem with the monolift. Lots of amateur strongmen can walk 830 for 100 feet and it is now a big deal for a powerlifter to just unrack it and take a couple of steps. That is just sad.

For me (just my opinion) the walking is not the reason I like the monolift. I like use a wide stance and this is not possible walking weight out. There is more to the walkout than simply the lifter is too weak to do it. Also, I (and the people I train with) can walk out a good bit more than we can squat, thus who cares how much you can walk out I only care what I can squat.

The problem is not walking it out of the rack and setting up wide, the problem is getting the fucker back in one piece. I don't honestly see what walking weights back and forth have to do with how strong you are to squat the damn thing.

SFW

Dang brother I mean to see these guys walk out big weight takes some work in itself. I mean when there is an a## load of weight on the bar its pretty hard to get stable after you've just walked backwards. I ve seen dudes shake like crazy just to back up with it. Not arguing with you, just seems pretty hard versus the lift without walking out.

Walking the weight out is certainly harder but that does not make a lift more legit. Teenie-bopper BB's tell you to bench with your feet in the air because it's harder thus more legit. Would anyone real lifter agree with this? No. I am personally not interested in what I can walk out. I just want to see who can squat the most.

Those who shake like crazy need more core strength. Donnie Thompson is a good example of someone with core strength. Whatever you sat about his squat depth, he never shakes under the bar.

ADD BEN BRAND 820 RAW SQUAT TO THIS LIST!

Yeah i agree it is more work in getting out with heavy ass weights. I have competed both and i like the monolift better and i feel WAY safer when i am setting up.

So because YOU think he can squat 830 raw, this squat that he did is automatically better than Scott Smith's? lol
And when has he competed raw and done 830?

Cartwright's was the heaviest single-ply squat in the history of time across all federations, so it's the most impressive in my book.

This is a good argument for Scott Cartwright's squat. It's a toss up between Chuck Vogelpohl and Scott Cartwright's squats. Chuck's is the biggest squat of the list, but Scott's squat is the biggest of classic powerlifting. The bigger number always wins but in this list I might have to agree about Scott's huge classic squat.

Cartwright's 1025 classic powerlifting squat was super impressive. to me Vogolpol's 1110 massive squat was more impressive.

I love these debates... the points made are always biased as all hell.

all three lifts were awesome. I hate agreeing with Byrd Turd, but I'm always impressed with big Raw Squats. Their boring though, gear is soo much cooler, and it makes you soo much stronger ;-)

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