Rodney Allman Benches 625 Lbs. at IBP Regionals

Submitted by Wyatt Cambell (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 2:00pm. » quote

In comparing the videos of Rodney Allman's bench with that of Mike Belk's I notice a huge disparity in the judging.

Mike Belk got a notmal press command while Rodney Allman had to hold his 600 pounders for a full three seconds.

Also notice the effort of side judge on the right to call a butt foul on Rodney. Then compare the same side judge on Mike Belk's lifts. If this wasn't so unfair to Rodney Allman it would almost be funny.

What did you do Rodney, miss Sunday school? lol

Submitted by Rodney Allman on January 12, 2009 - 2:18pm. » quote

It's always a pleasure to be on the same platform as Micheal Belk.

I was extremely disappointed with this effort. I don't know if it is the sinus infection or the antibiotics I'm taking but I felt weak and barely hit 605 off two boards in warm ups. I've been doing 725 off two boards so I knew immediately something was wrong and change my opener from 640 to 615. I really felt as though I had 90% shot at hitting 700 in this meet based on my training.

Strange day for me. Thanks to Eric Hubbs for all his help with Chesnee Power Team.

Submitted by Wyatt Cambell (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 2:18pm. » quote

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

Submitted by Anonymous PL (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 2:21pm. » quote

Nice lifts, Rodney. Probably time to do some training and not compete for a couple of months though right? And are you still going down to under 275 lbs?

Had to look up this federation though, good grief. Cannot keep track of who is who any more - and I hear there are still more federations being started too.

Submitted by STU (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 2:30pm. » quote

Rodney,

Mike Steward here. Sorry you did not feel good. Still nice lift!

Submitted by Jim Ray on January 12, 2009 - 4:08pm. » quote

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

How so?

Submitted by Rodney Allman on January 12, 2009 - 4:23pm. » quote

Jim Ray wrote:

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

How so?

I was wondering the same thing.

On another note: Keith Payne brought it to my attention Saturday that I should beware lifting while taking antibiotics could possibly be linked to muscle tears. He thinks he may have torn his peck muscle while lifting on prescribed antibiotics.

Luckily I didn't tear anything but did feel really strange. Here is a link to a M & F atricle on the subject.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-337281511.html

Submitted by isbell on January 12, 2009 - 4:46pm. » quote

Jim Ray wrote:

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

How so?

I watched it 3 times and didnt see the side judges do anything unusual???

Submitted by isbell on January 12, 2009 - 4:47pm. » quote

Rodney Allman wrote:

Jim Ray wrote:

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

How so?

I was wondering the same thing.

On another note: Keith Payne brought it to my attention Saturday that I should beware lifting while taking antibiotics could possibly be linked to muscle tears. He thinks he may have torn his peck muscle while lifting on prescribed antibiotics.

Luckily I didn't tear anything but did feel really strange. Here is a link to a M & F atricle on the subject.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-337281511.html

I never knew about the link between antibiots and muscle tears. I always figured it was due to dehydration from being sick.

Submitted by jim voronin (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 5:37pm. » quote

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

Not sure I'd call it hilarious, but interesting that they BOTH come out of their chairs. One kneels, the other raises his rear out of the chair and leans down. Kind of reminded me of an ostrich.

Submitted by paula taylor (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 7:55pm. » quote

jim voronin wrote:

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

Not sure I'd call it hilarious, but interesting that they BOTH come out of their chairs. One kneels, the other raises his rear out of the chair and leans down. Kind of reminded me of an ostrich.

Exactly! Judges are to stay put in their chairs. Fair judging? I think not!

Submitted by Roger Ryan on January 12, 2009 - 8:22pm. » quote

paula taylor wrote:

Exactly! Judges are to stay put in their chairs. Fair judging? I think not!

Judges should NOT stay in their chair if they have to move to see the lifter because of spotters being in the way. Why is it unfair if the judges move to see the lifter?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 8:41pm. » quote

The point of interest, here, is that the judges did not move from their seats and show the same interest in Michael Belk's lifts. Look at the videos.

Submitted by Wyatt Cambell (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 8:56pm. » quote

The judges did not show any favoritism to Belk but they definately had a "hard on" for Allman. Hell, just my opinion.

Same day, same meet and same judges. For sure, Allman had no IBP friends on this day.

Submitted by Roger Ryan on January 12, 2009 - 9:23pm. » quote

I just watched both video's. The judge on the left side of the screen leaves his seat on every lift. The judge on the right side of the screen leaves his seat when there is a spotter between him and the lifter. How can anyone say they were biased???? Are they biased because they get in position to do their job? Did they make a bad call? Allman clearly missed the 660 attempt.

I don't know either lifter or any of the judges, so I'm not trying to defend anyone because I know them.

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Submitted by isbell on January 12, 2009 - 9:40pm. » quote

jim voronin wrote:

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

Not sure I'd call it hilarious, but interesting that they BOTH come out of their chairs. One kneels, the other raises his rear out of the chair and leans down. Kind of reminded me of an ostrich.

Side judges are encouraged to get any position that they need to get the angle to make the call.
The call looked good to me.

An older judge that cant get out of the chair is one thing but I think a young one like those two guys were doing the right thing.

There is NO favoritism in IBP. We all get judged the same.

Submitted by Rodney Allman on January 12, 2009 - 9:48pm. » quote

I'm planning a workout session with two of the three judges next week, and have worked out with them in the past. No excuses here. I just sucked on this particular day. I feel very lucky I didn't bomb on this day.

No issues or complaints from me.

Submitted by Tim McVicker (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 10:19pm. » quote

I saw nothing wrong with the judging on either one of these lifters. Side judges leave chairs when needed to.

Submitted by powerlifter20893408 (not verified) on January 12, 2009 - 11:54pm. » quote

CONGRATULATIONS RODNEY!!!

VERY STRONG MY MAN!

VERY NICE MEET PLATFORM SETUP!

Submitted by paula taylor (not verified) on January 13, 2009 - 8:51am. » quote

isbell wrote:

jim voronin wrote:

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

Not sure I'd call it hilarious, but interesting that they BOTH come out of their chairs. One kneels, the other raises his rear out of the chair and leans down. Kind of reminded me of an ostrich.

Side judges are encouraged to get any position that they need to get the angle to make the call.
The call looked good to me.

An older judge that cant get out of the chair is one thing but I think a young one like those two guys were doing the right thing.

There is NO favoritism in IBP. We all get judged the same.

If spotters are in the way, the side judges can move their chairs so they can see. Leaving the chair is not ok. Check out other feds ie USAPL, AAU, IPF, etc. A judge is to stay in one's chair.

Oh, and judging is not always fair in IBP, from my understanding.

Submitted by Roger Ryan on January 13, 2009 - 10:07am. » quote

paula taylor wrote:

If spotters are in the way, the side judges can move their chairs so they can see. Leaving the chair is not ok. Check out other feds ie USAPL, AAU, IPF, etc. A judge is to stay in one's chair.

Oh, and judging is not always fair in IBP, from my understanding.

What difference does it make if the judges butt is in contact with the seat during the lift as long as he can see the lifter? If he can get a better view by leaving the seat, he should. I have judged in APF & APA meets. I leave my chair on most lifts to get the best angle possible.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 13, 2009 - 7:24pm. » quote

Roger Ryan wrote:

paula taylor wrote:

If spotters are in the way, the side judges can move their chairs so they can see. Leaving the chair is not ok. Check out other feds ie USAPL, AAU, IPF, etc. A judge is to stay in one's chair.

Oh, and judging is not always fair in IBP, from my understanding.

What difference does it make if the judges butt is in contact with the seat during the lift as long as he can see the lifter? If he can get a better view by leaving the seat, he should. I have judged in APF & APA meets. I leave my chair on most lifts to get the best angle possible.

It is just not legal. APA doesn't play by the rules either.

Submitted by Roger Ryan on January 13, 2009 - 8:14pm. » quote

Anonymous wrote:

It is just not legal. APA doesn't play by the rules either.

What rulebook says it's illegal for a judge to leave his/her chair before/during a lift?

Submitted by johnnyb on January 13, 2009 - 8:59pm. » quote

do we get to red light the judges for there butts off the chair.HA HA

Submitted by Jim Ray on January 13, 2009 - 11:50pm. » quote

I don't know if it's illegal for USAPL/IPF judges to leave the chair, but functionally, IMO, it's never a bad thing. Too many times, I've seen Head Judges sit too close to the lifter's head, preventing a view of the head coming up off the bench. Too many times I've seen Side Judges sit too high up to see daylight under the butt of a big archer.

johnnyb, THAT was pretty funny!

Submitted by cm (not verified) on January 13, 2009 - 11:58pm. » quote

paula taylor wrote:

isbell wrote:

jim voronin wrote:

Wyatt Cambell wrote:

Notice both side judges on Rodney Allman's 660 pound attempt. Damn right hilarious and caught on film.

Not sure I'd call it hilarious, but interesting that they BOTH come out of their chairs. One kneels, the other raises his rear out of the chair and leans down. Kind of reminded me of an ostrich.

Side judges are encouraged to get any position that they need to get the angle to make the call.
The call looked good to me.

An older judge that cant get out of the chair is one thing but I think a young one like those two guys were doing the right thing.

There is NO favoritism in IBP. We all get judged the same.

If spotters are in the way, the side judges can move their chairs so they can see. Leaving the chair is not ok. Check out other feds ie USAPL, AAU, IPF, etc. A judge is to stay in one's chair.

Oh, and judging is not always fair in IBP, from my understanding.

Paula your understanding about the IBP is wrong. They are all about the lifter the judging is very fair on all levels of competition. I'm assuming you've never been to an IBP meet. I don't know anybody that has been to an IBP meet and not loved every part of it. the judging, the music the people everything is great.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 21, 2009 - 1:50pm. » quote

Several people that have viewed this thread question the experience of the negative posts from Mr. Wyatt and Mrs. Taylor. You sould have been aware that Rodney is a shirted bencher and Belk is Raw, and that most of the time it takes longer for the shirted bencher to touch than a raw bencher. Also, I have attended a couple of IBP events, and they go over that very fact in the lifter meeting so everyone will understand why it appears that some lifters get a longer pause. They are in no way unfair or bias to anyone and the judging has always been very consistant at the events I have attended.

As for the judges getting out of the chairs, I think it is a great idea and more feds should consider it. How can you judge fairly and be consistant if you can't see.
The IBP also explains that in their lifter meeting as well.

Myself and many of my friends that have lifted in the IBP are glad to have a sanction that like the IBP. Very exciting atmosphere, well organized and as fair and consistent as it gets.